Your Lions Squad Following the 6N

[Peat]

He's been endorsed by Martin Johnson today.

Not sure whether you're presenting that as a good thing or a bad thing

 

[Rhondda Rudie]

Not sure whether you're presenting that as a good thing or a bad thing

A good thing.He was a great player and captain,the bstard.:lol::lol::lol:

 

[Zed]

Well I've read a few jouno's 'Lions XV' which seem to be dominated by the Welsh. One team had 12 Welsh players, 3 Irish and no English and no Scottish! Perhaps peeps don't see this as relevant, but the Welsh have won once against Australia in the last 13 games they've played. They lost to them 5 times in one year 2011-2012. And this has been one of the poorest Wallabies sides in quite a few years. As well as being depleted by injuries and fall outs with an unpopular coach. A Lions XV team dominated by Welsh may win, but looking at the stat's it's pretty unlikely. The last time a Welsh team won in Australia was in 1969

 

[psychic duck]

If you don't wish to accept this or change your posting style, fine, but I'm not going to bother - because I'm either arguing with a troll or someone with a very odd blind spot, and neither's much point or much fun.

Really? The people who take the exact opposite from what I actually wrote by saying Robshaw is crap when I clearly wrote he is good are the ones acting like a troll tbh.

The other thing you do which I would change and makes it not worth engaging with you at moments like this, is responding at length to criticisms of your counter-hype, while ignoring reasonable counter-points to you argument. Such as cmac pointing out he's not going for the hit as he knows it would give away a penalty. Such as me pointing out Robshaw did little wrong in the Warburton break.

I responded about the Warburton break, and agreed to disagree on that one. He looked to be plodding to me.

Regarding the giving away a penalty. If that was the case, then why did he come in for the tackle in first place? He didn't back off the tackle. He went in and was fended off backwards by Phillips.

I did respond. You're arguments here are pretty weak. The post was criticising Robshaw to back up my point. It wouldn't back up my point to say Robshaw is overhyped and then say all his strengths would it and not mention that he was outplayed by the Welsh back row would it?

 

[Ospreylian]

Big Ginger 8 just can't take the fact there are far better Lions options than Hiaeeley, Seckstone, Oh Drisscull, and Zeebow.

 

[j'nuh]

I responded about the Warburton break, and agreed to disagree on that one. He looked to be plodding to me.

But he wasn't responsible for the openside base of the ruck. He had a blindside the size of half the width of the pitch to protect with another couple of guys. If he'd have rushed to the openside and the Welsh decided to exploit numbers down the blindside, you'd have equally criticised him for leaving the blindside. Hartley buggered it up by moving too far away from the base of the ruck, and Adam Jones stopped Hartley from reacting fast enough by obstructing Hartley. That's why the break happened.

Regarding the giving away a penalty. If that was the case, then why did he come in for the tackle in first place? He didn't back off the tackle. He went in and was fended off backwards by Phillips.

Doing enough to stop Phillips breaking down the middle and altering his path to the wing is better than:
1) giving away a penalty;
2) doing nothing at all.

 

[Ospreylian]

Because when you go on these overboard campaigns, attacking a player at every opportunity and posting countless gifs which are meant to show horrendous failings in their game but tend to be no big issue at all, people struggle to take it seriously. Not least because people can come back with detailed posts showing disagreement, which will then be ignored - might as well jump straight to flippancy, at least there will be a reply that way. And shouting "I SAID HE'S GOOD!" when constructing long and overly negative posts just doesn't wash, the tone and words simply don't match up.

And that's from someone whose last posted Lions team didn't contain Robshaw. I don't think you're entirely wrong. Just that the way you've gone about it smells like a fishing trip.

Actually, Peat, Psychic Duck is one of the posters I take MOST seriously on this forum because he goes to extra lengths to try and provide evidence for the points he is making. None of the "campaigns" I have seen Duck go on have ever been "overboard", just reasonable and in his own opinion. The gifs just provide a piece of a larger jigsaw of someones' game that Duck wanted to highlight, not meant to cause offense - but some obviously take it way too seriously.

And he does have a point in Robshaw's game on saturday, because he missed 4 tackles. Warburton missed 0. So listen to what Duck has to say, because he might have a good point to make.

 

[j'nuh]

And he does have a point in Robshaw's game on saturday, because he missed 4 tackles. Warburton missed 0. So listen to what Duck has to say, because he might have a good point to make.

espn has it at 3-0. And that Robshaw made 8 extra tackles. Not really a fair comparison though - England's attack was dull and slow and easy to defend against. Tuilagi is the only guy playing for England it would be possible to miss a tackle on. Wales were on fire, and its much easier to miss tackles against teams playing so well. Warburton gave away 2 penalties to Robshaw's 0...

 

[dasNdanger]

I guess now wouldn't be a good time for me to suggest Biggs on wing, just so I can watch his long, flaxen mane flowing in the breeze as he gallops down the pitch...

Whoops...I mean...

das

 

[coonor]

I loved that game on Saturday because now I have genuine means of justification for being totally biased. 90% of test selection also comes from the warm-up games anyway, so no XV can really be read that far into, hence why I presented it as a squad rather than a list with my starting team.

I just don't like Healey and never have, but it's more a case that we can't take everyone, and he misses out as the fourth-best loosehead in my opinion (Fifth, but Corbisero's injured). All are betetr scrummagers than him, and while none are as good carriers, I think there's enough in other aspects of their game to make up for it. I like a hard-working prop, not a bloody-minded showpony.

Brilliant logic as ever

On a more serious not, firstly James is second choice for his country while Jenkins is second choice for his club. On the other hand Healy has proven himself for club and country over the last two years becoming a key part in the Leinster side that dominated over the time. I just think your reasoning is completed unfounded. I agree the starting place is still up for grabs particularly at prop, but Healy should certainly travel and in reality him and Jenkins are way ahead of their competitors.

Moreover 6 flankers is way to many when your only bringing 3 wingers. I know you said and agree that the back three can switch round but that is equally true for the backrow. You've selected 8 people for just 3 positions, too many in my opinion. I'd drop Jones and Robshaw, allowing for another prop (Healy) and another winger (enter wingers name that either finds form or comes back well from injury)

Henson? Errr yeah. Hasn't had the standard of game over the last 3 seasons to warrant his selection. If he was performing well at a higher level then I'd have no problem with bringing him. From the second row I'd drop Richie Gray, his consistency is a real issue and his form has dropped significantly.

Id agree with your choice of scrum halves and fly halves. I think Farrell warrants a place to be honest simply due to lack of options. I know people have called for Burns but it's a long shot in a key position. He'd have to have some very good games in the next few months to prove himself in my opinion.

 

[Peat]

A good thing.He was a great player and captain,the bstard.:lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, but not so much as a selector... notice Shane Williams has mentioned Alun Wyn too.

Well I've read a few jouno's 'Lions XV' which seem to be dominated by the Welsh. One team had 12 Welsh players, 3 Irish and no English and no Scottish! Perhaps peeps don't see this as relevant, but the Welsh have won once against Australia in the last 13 games they've played. They lost to them 5 times in one year 2011-2012. And this has been one of the poorest Wallabies sides in quite a few years. As well as being depleted by injuries and fall outs with an unpopular coach. A Lions XV team dominated by Welsh may win, but looking at the stat's it's pretty unlikely. The last time a Welsh team won in Australia was in 1969

Oh a lot of us think it's relevant ^_^

I just don't like Healey and never have, but it's more a case that we can't take everyone, and he misses out as the fourth-best loosehead in my opinion (Fifth, but Corbisero's injured). All are betetr scrummagers than him, and while none are as good carriers, I think there's enough in other aspects of their game to make up for it. I like a hard-working prop, not a bloody-minded showpony.

I don't think I've seen too many people give Adam Jones as hard a time recently as Healy did. God knows how he did that if he's not as good a scrummager as the other three, and god knows how they didn't give away less penalties too. I find it mighty suspicious too how the Welsh looseheads combined only made 7 more tackles than the showpony did in his four games - maybe they're not that hard working

 

[Ospreylian]

espn has it at 3-0. And that Robshaw made 8 extra tackles. Not really a fair comparison though - England's attack was dull and slow and easy to defend against. Tuilagi is the only guy playing for England it would be possible to miss a tackle on. Wales were on fire, and its much easier to miss tackles against teams playing so well. Warburton gave away 2 penalties to Robshaw's 0...

Well I read the 4-0 stat in a welsh newspaper, so may have been biased lol. But then again, I haven't known ESPn to be completely reliable either, not to mention the fact turnovers are fairly hard to record as stats it seems. Also the 8 extra tackles thing is pretty irrelevant IMO. I would rather someone make all their attempted tackles than try and make more and miss some. It seems Wales' tackle account is more evenly spread across players and enclaves falls heavily on Robshaw. Perhaps he would do better in a strong lions squad than England. I just think people are slightly underestimating Warburton. The last 2 games for him have been massive, he probably could have had a shout for MOTM inthe England game tbh. His ball carrying was fantastic.

 

[psychic duck]

I don't think I've seen too many people give Adam Jones as hard a time recently as Healy did.

How did Healy give Adam Jones a hard time?

There was not a single scrum where Ireland actually were going forwards. They won about 2 penalties (hardly that many and were against Gethin IIRC, and Wales got at least as many back in reply), and they were both flop penalties where both scrums just collapsed, not dominating and pushing back. In fact, when Paul James replaced Gethin in that game, Wales got on top and were pushing Ireland back.

Having said that though. Healy has improved, and has been pretty consistent for a while now as well. And is an effective carrier for Leinster and Ireland as a bonus as well. Even though I am not a fan of his, he would be in my touring squad for sure.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

How did Healy give Adam Jones a hard time?

There was not a single scrum where Ireland actually were going forwards. They won about 2 penalties (hardly that many and were against Gethin IIRC, and Wales got at least as many back in reply), and they were both flop penalties where both scrums just collapsed, not dominating and pushing back. In fact, when Paul James replaced Gethin in that game, Wales got on top and were pushing Ireland back.

Having said that though. Healy has improved, and has been pretty consistent for a while now as well. And is an effective carrier for Leinster and Ireland as a bonus as well. Even though I am not a fan of his, he would be in my touring squad for sure.

Seriously, stop posting that f*****g gif

 

[Aristodemus]

So about 10.5 Welsh players starting? Are you wumming? Seriously I have to ask and no you can't just skip over the exclusion of Healy​ one e for heavens sake....anyway why?

Chip on the shoulder?

 

[munstermuffin]

Can confirm 100% if POC proves fitness then he's on plane
I knew McGeechan and Gerald Davies weren't in UL last week for love of an A game

 

[Feicarsinn]

Can confirm 100% if POC proves fitness then he's on plane
I knew McGeechan and Gerald Davies weren't in UL last week for love of an A game

Noel Reid for the Lions.

 

[lynam1104]

Can confirm 100% if POC proves fitness then he's on plane
I knew McGeechan and Gerald Davies weren't in UL last week for love of an A game

I love having you on this board for all the inside scoops.

Current match day squad. (I'm incredibly bias, also I can't spell forgive me)

1. Healy
2. Hibbard
3. Cole
4. A.W. Jones
5. Parling
6. SOB
7. Tuparic
8. Flataue
9. This is the problem position, know Gats it will be Phillips
10. Sexton
11. North
12. No real standouts so Roberts because of
13. BOD
14. Zebo/Hogg
15. Halfpenny

16. Best
17. Jenkins
18. A. Jones
19. Hines questions about his fitness over 80 fine, not over 20. 2 reasons that I want to see him here is hes a great player and from the 2009 dvd a great joker
20.Wood
21. Laidlaw
22. Farrel
23. Tuilangi

Certainly haven't endeared myself to the english

 

[Peat]

8. Flataue

I'm keeping this misspelling quoted for posterity. Sounds more like a gin-sodden 80 something Duchess talking about farting than a rugby player. Unbelievable.

...
Not too far off what I'd pick actually.

 

[lucky number 7]

Big Ginger 8 just can't take the fact there are far better Lions options than Hiaeeley, Seckstone, Oh Drisscull, and Zeebow.

There aren't..

BOD is subjective and Zebo there is better.

But Sexton is consistently the best outhalf in the 6N...to suggest otherwise merely highlights your bleak ignorance on the subject.

You're a horrible wum but it's making me post more so do continue.