Tri Nations: Springboks - All Blacks @ Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium (20-8-2011, 15:05)

[Thingimubob]

Only just got back from the match in Cardiff, so missed this, what was the final score?

 

[lance2010]

18-5 the Boks

 

[Whitewolf]

Toeava and Gear out!!! They were bad, extremely bad. My choice for the back-three: Jane, Muliaina, Sivivatu. Then Dagg and Guildford, but not Toeava and Gear.

Thomson: invisible. Graham Henry should have taken Matt Todd.

SBW-Kahui: they won't substitute Nonu-Smith. Unquestionably

 

[DanCarterite]

Huh? Toeava was extremely bad? did we watch the same game?

 

[ozmanoshe]

The Boks are in **** land...but once again 1 diminutional Bok fans will take the win at any cost.... an A strength Bok team vs a B AB team...yet the bold struggled to get through...they won the game on goal kicks... But the SA fans are happy???? If I was a SA supported I would have been fcken ashamed.... Cuz if the NZ A team failed to score a try 2 weeks ago vs a SA b-team, I would have been ******...but nothing was read into that game... why is every Bok supporter reading into this game??? SA struggled!!!

I think its important for Kiwis not to forget that for World Cups winning is the only thing that matters. I would have liked the ABs to approach the boks game with a more conservative attitude to get them in the right head space for the World Cup. Turning down kicks at goal and not keeping ball in hand and hammering it up through the forwards close to the try line is probably not the best preparation.

Also Bok supporters are awesome, they love their rugby and look at the dull performances that they get served up on a regular basis, yet they turn out en mass every time. By contrast NZ rugby is often a lot more exciting to watch and yet they struggle to ever sellout a stadium.

 

[Dizzy]

i completely agree with your ozman. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter what happens in the game because the only thing that really matters at the end of the day is the score... now 5 years on when we look back on the score 18-5 it would seem like SA played the better game and we were very poor to only come up with a try

 

[RuckinGoodStats]

South Africa missed 33 tackles (on average 1 in 4 tackle attempts) to the New Zealand's 18 missed tackles (1 in 6). New Zealand also made 13 line breaks to South Africa's 6. New Zealand also broke 10 tackles inside South Africa's 22.

New Zealand made 12 handling errors, 5 inside South Africa's 22. There was also 4 intercepts made by South Africa and 1 charge down. South Africa were only penalised once for offside play.

New Zealand spend 15% of the game inside South Africa's 22, compared to the 8% of the time New Zealand spent inside South Africa's 22.
New Zealand made 30 lost possessions/turnovers in the game (Ruck/Mauls=8; Pens=4; F/Kicks=0; Lineouts=1; Handling errors=12; Scrums=0; Forced into touch=0; Other=5) compared to South Africa who made 17 (Ruck/Mauls=3; Pens=4; F/Kicks=0; Lineouts=1; Handling errors=8; Scrums=0; Forced into touch=0; Other=1)

Very fast game. The ball was in play for 19:28 minutes in the 1st half and 19:18 minutes in the 2nd half. The average for the 2011 Tri-Nations before this match was 17:40 minutes for the 1st half and 15:48 minutes for the 2nd half.

 

[lance2010]

Toeava and Gear out!!! They were bad, extremely bad. My choice for the back-three: Jane, Muliaina, Sivivatu. Then Dagg and Guildford, but not Toeava and Gear.

Thomson: invisible. Graham Henry should have taken Matt Todd.

SBW-Kahui: they won't substitute Nonu-Smith. Unquestionably

Yes Matt Todd or i would of even had Tanerau Latimer over Thomson someone who is a specialist No.7

 

[smartcooky]

Toeava and Gear out!!! They were bad, extremely bad.

What?

You clearly were not watching the same game as me then

Isaia Toeava

Kick/Pass/Run 1-13-7
Metres Run 176
Tackles 3 (none missed)
Turnovers won 3
Clean Breaks 2
Defenders beaten 2

 

[ozmanoshe]

Thanks RuckingGood for those stats, for rugby though it's so important where on the field each one of those stats is generate. Breaking 10 tackles and running 50 meters sounds good until you watch the game and realise he ran from his own goal line and ended up turning over on the 50m line. Same deal for penalties give them away in your own half and that's 3 points.

 

[ozmanoshe]

What?

You clearly were not watching the same game as me then

Isaia Toeava

Kick/Pass/Run 1-13-7
Metres Run 176
Tackles 3 (none missed)
Turnovers won 3
Clean Breaks 2
Defenders beaten 2

There tends to be an unfair focus on Toeava for his mistakes rather than what he does well in this case when he made his break he knocked on in the ensuing ruck and on another occassion mistimed his jump for the ball in the air. I though he played pretty well in a backline that didn't gel and having had very little rugby. Both he and Dagg looked the most dangerous of the backs.

 

[RuckinGoodStats]

Thanks RuckingGood for those stats, for rugby though it's so important where on the field each one of those stats is generate. Breaking 10 tackles and running 50 meters sounds good until you watch the game and realise he ran from his own goal line and ended up turning over on the 50m line. Same deal for penalties give them away in your own half and that's 3 points.

On my website you can find some of those answers. I think chart 5 is where on the field by 4 quarters (inside own 22, Inside own half, inside opp half, inside opp22) these things happen.

 

[Jer1cho]

The Boks are in **** land...but once again 1 diminutional Bok fans will take the win at any cost.... an A strength Bok team vs a B AB team...yet the bold struggled to get through...they won the game on goal kicks... But the SA fans are happy???? If I was a SA supported I would have been fcken ashamed.... Cuz if the NZ A team failed to score a try 2 weeks ago vs a SA b-team, I would have been ******...but nothing was read into that game... why is every Bok supporter reading into this game??? SA struggled!!!

Did you even read some of our thoughts on the game, or are you just taking the ****? Get your head out of the clouds.

 

[smartcooky]

Did you even read some of our thoughts on the game, or are you just taking the ****? Get your head out of the clouds.

I agree, Icemn is either on another planet or living in an alternative reality.

If nothing else, the Saffers commenting about the game in this thread are pragmatists. They'll take the win, but they know that the All Blacks lost this match more than the Boks won it.

 

[TNT88]

Good win for SA. Their defence was kind of suspect, but they only let in the one try so they must have done something right. They won the game on kicks, but won the game none-the-less. That is good practice for the world cup, I can't imagine them winning the WC on tries scored anyway...

The "no try" decision was interesting. I wonder what will come from it (in terms of video ref decisions in the next few months).

 

[kusta]

Would I be far off when I say that the injury to Lambie might have robbed us with some attacking flair???

 

[Icemn]

Did you even read some of our thoughts on the game, or are you just taking the ****? Get your head out of the clouds.

Clearly I didn't, so what was said??? And if something was said, how do you know I"m referring to that specific point???

Would I be far off when I say that the injury to Lambie might have robbed us with some attacking flair???

Yes, very lol

 

[TNT88]

Would I be far off when I say that the injury to Lambie might have robbed us with some attacking flair???

He is good in attack from first receiver, but (IMO) far from a reliable attacker at test level playing fullback. Purely because he hasn't had many opportunities though.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Dear god, Thomson was truly awful today.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

Hmmm an interesting game no doubt... As people have said I think the All Blacks have more to take from this than the Boks do.

Dagg and Toeava looked great - I'm a big fan of Mils, but it's hard to leave someone like Dagg out of that 15 jersey when he plays this well.

Kahui had his worst game in the black jersey, in my opinion. He did look very good at times, but also made a few errors - I don't think Smith has anything to worry about. SBW played all right, not particularly great but I didn't see him make any mistakes.

Slade was average. He sometimes miskicked the ball (he obviously missed one sitter of a penalty too), and I don't think he got the backs going forward enough, which meant the SA rush defence was problematic. That being said, he didn't look awful, he's a fine reserve, and with a better platform should perform better.

Thomson conceded quite a few penalties - something he's always done. I honestly think Messam would make a better 7 than Thomson. Messam looked all right, again nothing special, got some go forward. It's unfortunate that he hasn't had any game time with two of the starting loose forwards (that is, he always has played with Thomson). We could see Messam dropped for a specialist open side, but I think Thomson is the biggest liability.

The Boks won the break down, but I don't know if that's necessarily the loose forwards' faults. The forwards actually gained a lot of ground when they went in pods, but whenever they had one of runners the Boks pounced.

I'm not too sure if Brussow actually knows the rules about releasing the player - he's a great fetcher, no doubt, and always gets over the ball, but he never releases the tackled player and just goes for the ball straight away. If he's not the tackler this isn't a problem, obviously, but it is if he's the defending player.

That TMO decision just shows how stupid the TMO rules are - it was a fair decision, though not strictly allowed. Both referees should be punished for it, really.