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Ring fencing premiership and championship

From the RFU - I think so; though it's a lot more complicated than pure player release - it's the whole agreement, but that's absolutely the major plank.

They used to get funding for the academies as well, but I seem to remember that being phased out once the clubs realised it was in their own self-interest to have healthy academies.

I reserve the right to be wrong, however.
 
The prem clubs get loads of money from the RFU and it's not just for players release as all the clubs get it not just the ones with international players.

Think it was around £28m split between the 12 clubs at the time.
 
The prem clubs get loads of money from the RFU and it's not just for players release as all the clubs get it not just the ones with international players.

Think it was around £28m split between the 12 clubs at the time.
Think the proposal was £33m between 10 plus parachute payments if relegated and £4m for the championship with no payout if promoted
 
The prem clubs get loads of money from the RFU and it's not just for players release as all the clubs get it not just the ones with international players.
That's because PRL smoothed the payments - much to the annoyance of the RFU.

As I said though, "it's the whole agreement, it's that the player release is the major plank". Further, being "lots of money" =/= "therefore it's not for player release"


Also, as I've said before - I'm playing devil's advocate, and reserving the right to be wrong.
 

"With boundary lines redrawn and academy areas reallocated to afford the premiership cartel clubs wider areas within which to operate, parents are now faced with challenging amounts of travel to get their children involved with professional clubs with whom they have no natural affinity."

IDK it just smacks of jingoism. Like is Warwick really that far away from Northampton? i'm pretty sure most of Warwick already supports Northampton and Coventry Leicester naturally.

90% sure both those clubs already had Warwick and Coventry in their area before it was redrawn for wasps?

I support the champ clubs but I do feel they pick some hills to die on.

Like
"
Financially supported by local business and driven by rugby people who have been let down by the existing approach, the Coventry Rugby Regional Academy will work closely with schools, clubs, universities and representative teams within the Coventry and Warwickshire area.

As a result of this collaboration, those involved will receive coaching and high-performance support programmes on par, if not better than, other professional rugby academies in England."

If that is the case I hope they don't moan about lack of RFU funding for said academy.

Don't get me wrong I support them growing their existing academy and I certain feel that more academies and pathways into the pro channel is only a good thing. Just the wording off official statements smack of fan written drivel rather than a professional outfit.

I do feel Coventry is prob leading the way in what Championship clubs should aim for.
 
So only the premiership clubs should get these free handouts then and it's absolutely fine for them to be treated differently from the other 2000 plus clubs?

I suppose it comes down to whether you want a professional second tier or not
They don't get a handout, they get a payment for granting access to England players and a contribution towards the costs of running an academy.

Given that a league that only a few years ago, the Premiership had plans to expand to 14 teams and is now down to 10 (including a team that failed to win a single match last season), a fully professional second tier seems to me like a luxury that the English game can ill afford at the moment. Neither am I convinced that it's a given that a better quality, fully professional second tier best meets English rugby's needs as many seem to assume. My memory of The Championship back when most / all teams were fully professional and the quality was a lot higher is of lots of journeymen and non-EQPs. I don't have stats to back up my assertion, but I would be amazed if the minutes that DR players are receiving hasn't increased markedly as budgets have decreased.
 
Depends still got to meet the minimum standards criteria including ground capacity which i don't think many do.
No, but it is a step in the right direction and does mean the RFU aren't completely closing off the Premiership. However, I feel as though they won't relax on their minimum standards, so it may well end up being a case of claiming they're keeping the door open, but in truth they're still standing in the doorway with a couple of bouncers blocking the entrance from any Championship clubs hoping for a way in.
 
I'd be surprised if the Championship clubs agreed to 2 x playoffs when one of their complaints is disparity in funding between the premiership and championship - imagine they'll push for straight up promotion/relegation and if it isn't coming then kick up whatever fuss they can
 
I mean how can you relax the minimum requirements really though?

I don't agree on the stadium capacity being 10K but you need to at least have 4 proper stands nearly.
 
Accidentally liked a couple two amd a half year old posts in here (you're welcome).

Playoffs while only having one relegation spot is weak as. Takes all jeopardy out of end of season games of the bottom sides when they can focus entirely on a weakened team. A home and away fixture skews it more in the prem teams favour.

Is this needed at all?
 
Is B*ths ground up to standard yet?
LTTP but no, it is not.

They pay a fine every season for not meeting the criteria but the exact details of how much and what needed to be done or even if B*th have made any pledges or plans to meet the criteria is hard to come by. It's a ridiculous situation.
 
LTTP but no, it is not.

They pay a fine every season for not meeting the criteria but the exact details of how much and what needed to be done or even if B*th have made any pledges or plans to meet the criteria is hard to come by. It's a ridiculous situation.
I think you're about a decade out of date there.

Facilities are outdated, but to the best of my knowledge, meet the criteria.

Of course, it's ridiculous if you're one of those childish enough to consider the name of a club to be an obscenity.
For those of us in the real world, we're aware that being located in a World Heritage Site makes developments a tad tricky; and aware that the legal wrangling is a thing of the past; so it's "just" planning permission that's lacking, and is being actively sought.

I could be wrong though, and there may be something in the "must have" column that I thought was in the "ought to have" column.
Worth noting, that if the council withdraw consent for the temporary stand, then we'll fall below the capacity requirement, and start paying fines again.
It's also possible that EPRC regulations might be a touch tighter, and see us failing in there, but I've not heard anything about that.


ETA:
Chat GPT gave me this (Does the Rec ground at Bath meet minimum standards for a Premiership rugby club?):
While the Rec currently meets the minimum standards required to host Premiership Rugby matches, it is considered outdated compared to other top-tier venues. The planned redevelopment is critical for Bath Rugby to remain competitive and provide a modern fan experience. Without these improvements, the club risks falling behind the standards of other Premiership teams.

And this (When did Bath rugby last pay a fine for failing to meet the minimum standards for premiership rugby?):
If you are asking specifically about fines related to minimum standards for facilities or governance, I could not find recent examples of Bath being penalized in such contexts. If you have more details or a specific fine in mind, feel free to clarify!
 
LTTP but no, it is not.

They pay a fine every season for not meeting the criteria but the exact details of how much and what needed to be done or even if B*th have made any pledges or plans to meet the criteria is hard to come by. It's a ridiculous situation.
Sale was the same at Edgeley Park, and one of the reasons why we couldn't (even if we wanted to) move back
 

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