DC aiming for the Big money in Europe after the RWC

[TRF_Olyy]

Why should a rugby player of ANY hemisphere be expected to handle being driven head first into the ground by two players?
It's not as if it was his back or anything, or he put his hands out to stop it, he just slammed head first into the ground.

Also, don't try and drag me into this cockswinging argument, i was just expressing my views on that, frankly, ridiculous statement.

 

[Dizzy]

Why should a rugby player of ANY hemisphere be expected to handle being driven head first into the ground by two players?
It's not as if it was his back or anything, or he put his hands out to stop it, he just slammed head first into the ground.

Also, don't try and drag me into this cockswinging argument, i was just expressing my views on that, frankly, ridiculous statement.

I agree that no rugby player should expect that, but it happened, and as the saying goes what happens on the field stays on the field, but when it comes to BOD he had to take that situation all the way back to Europe and it even hit the papers and crap.

And if you dont want to be involved in then it's simple, don't involve yourself with comments referring to me.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

l, I never said it wasn't, all I said was BOD couldn't handle it. I've seen plenty of that play in my time and it isn't that much of a biggy.

Urm so what you are saying that you are accepting such actions on the pitch.

It is a biggy because BOD could have suffered a real neck injury.

Wind your neck in sunshine and pipe down and stop playing the innocent.

 

[munstermuffin]

Dizzy what I was saying is the big hitters in NH have alot more time to make the big hits.

But well with your comments on the BOD situation well I think you've done yourself enough harm with me even commenting

 

[smartcooky]

Most of this argument is utterly pointless. DC hasn't even finished his negotiations with the NZRU yet. In any case, I think if he did go to Europe it would likely be to Perpignan. He said in an interview some time back that he felt he "owed them one", presumably due to the shortness of his last time there.

In any case, while DC has an excellent running and kicking game, his REAL skill is his ability to quickly adapt to different conditions and playing styles.

I am 100% certain the he could adapt easily to whatever he finds in Europe, should he go there. If Nick Evans, Andrew Merhtens, Carlos Spencer and David Holwell were all able to adapt, I see no reason why DC could not.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

most of this argument is utterly pointless. Dc hasn't even finished his negotiations with the nzru yet. In any case, i think if he did go to europe it would likely be to perpignan. He said in an interview some time back that he felt he "owed them one", presumably due to the shortness of his last time there.

In any case, while dc has an excellent running and kicking game, his real skill is his ability to quickly adapt to different conditions and playing styles.

I am 100% certain the he could adapt easily to whatever he finds in europe, should he go there. If nick evans, andrew merhtens, carlos spencer and david holwell were all able to adapt, i see no reason why dc could not.

this!!!!

 

[dangandan]

if the play is faster in the sh and tackles are coming in quicker, wouldn't carter have all the time in the world to make a decision and avoid being monstered in a hit when the pace is slower? i find it strange that out of all the sh players that have gone up north, doubt has been placed on carter's ability

 

[munstermuffin]

No because his ball is alot slower. And is SH the game is more often at a fast tempo so ball is shifted much quicker

 

[Larksea]

Crazy money seems right for a player with Crazy skills

 

[ranger]

No because his ball is alot slower. And is SH the game is more often at a fast tempo so ball is shifted much quicker

Sometimes you just have to let it go...

 

[Dizzy]

Urm so what you are saying that you are accepting such actions on the pitch.

It is a biggy because BOD could have suffered a real neck injury.

Wind your neck in sunshine and pipe down and stop playing the innocent.

Look, Umaga had no intention to injure BOD. It's Rugby and you get the odd rough play.
I honestly think BOD played his injury more than what it really was, truth is, the guys a sook.
Look at Jimmy Cowan for example, a full on intentional head butt to the back of the head from Botha, did young Jimmy even squirm??? No. He played on and continued with his rugby unlike BOD who couldn't quit sulking over being dumped onto the ground. And he continued for months. Even when Umaga phoned him to say he was sorry about his injury he still complained that Umaga hadn't gone over to check on him when the incident happened. It happens alright.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Look, Umaga had no intention to injure BOD. It's Rugby and you get the odd rough play.
I honestly think BOD played his injury more than what it really was, truth is, the guys a sook.
Look at Jimmy Cowan for example, a full on intentional head butt to the back of the head from Botha, did young Jimmy even squirm??? No. He played on and continued with his rugby unlike BOD who couldn't quit sulking over being dumped onto the ground. And he continued for months. Even when Umaga phoned him to say he was sorry about his injury he still complained that Umaga hadn't gone over to check on him when the incident happened. It happens alright.

How long was Cowan out for out of interest. O'Driscoll was out for 6 or 7 months because Umanga and Mealamu picked him out of a ruck by the legs and drove him head first into the ground. Maybe he didn't mean to, but either way it was immensely dangerous and wreckless.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Look, Umaga had no intention to injure BOD. It's Rugby and you get the odd rough play.
I honestly think BOD played his injury more than what it really was, truth is, the guys a sook.
Look at Jimmy Cowan for example, a full on intentional head butt to the back of the head from Botha, did young Jimmy even squirm??? No. He played on and continued with his rugby unlike BOD who couldn't quit sulking over being dumped onto the ground. And he continued for months. Even when Umaga phoned him to say he was sorry about his injury he still complained that Umaga hadn't gone over to check on him when the incident happened. It happens alright.

Are you for real?

Jimmy Cowan ... please click Here ... remember that? Oh wait you will come along and say that was ages old and blah di blah blah! Cowan also makes himself a target for all the off the ball things he does ... oh wait let me guess you will go he never does it intentionally on purpose?

As for the Umaga / Mealamu / BOD incident im not going any further otherwise I can sense a full on wrath coming.

 

[Darwin]

Look, Umaga had no intention to injure BOD. It's Rugby and you get the odd rough play.
I honestly think BOD played his injury more than what it really was, truth is, the guys a sook.
Look at Jimmy Cowan for example, a full on intentional head butt to the back of the head from Botha, did young Jimmy even squirm??? No. He played on and continued with his rugby unlike BOD who couldn't quit sulking over being dumped onto the ground. And he continued for months. Even when Umaga phoned him to say he was sorry about his injury he still complained that Umaga hadn't gone over to check on him when the incident happened. It happens alright.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was incredibly dangerous and reckless play. O'Driscoll missed all the test on the Lions tour (I imagine a Lions tour would be one of the highlights of any British (or Irish) rugby players career), and was out for a good period of time after that, while the perpetrators (Umaga and Mealamu) got away without any repercussions. The New Zealand media painted O'Driscoll as a 'cry baby', but personally I think he has every right to have been pretty ****** off about the whole situation.

 

[durbutter]

Look, Umaga had no intention to injure BOD. It's Rugby and you get the odd rough play.
I honestly think BOD played his injury more than what it really was, truth is, the guys a sook.
Look at Jimmy Cowan for example, a full on intentional head butt to the back of the head from Botha, did young Jimmy even squirm??? No. He played on and continued with his rugby unlike BOD who couldn't quit sulking over being dumped onto the ground. And he continued for months. Even when Umaga phoned him to say he was sorry about his injury he still complained that Umaga hadn't gone over to check on him when the incident happened. It happens alright.

Watch how BOD plays his rugby before calling him a sook. He has a lot of failings atm, but balls, bravery and honest are not amongst them.

Inform yourself by watching how he won Ireland their first grandslam in over 50 years nearly singlehandedly

 

[ranger]

Whether it was intentional or not, it was incredibly dangerous and reckless play. O'Driscoll missed all the test on the Lions tour (I imagine a Lions tour would be one of the highlights of any British (or Irish) rugby players career), and was out for a good period of time after that, while the perpetrators (Umaga and Mealamu) got away without any repercussions. The New Zealand media painted O'Driscoll as a 'cry baby', but personally I think he has every right to have been pretty ****** off about the whole situation.

I wholeheartedly agree with this post, but i also think there was a fair bit of it (spin) coming from the other side aswell.
The Lions took Tony Blair's spin doctor with them, it really surprises me how often people overlook this point. The Lions get thrashed and then all the British papers concentrate on is "The NZ team realized how much of a threat BOD was and took him out" pumping it up to the extent where people are saying that if he didn't move his arm he would have died?.. Its a bit convenient that the focal point was taken off the failings of the team.

What happened to BOD was unfortunate. Although technically they didn't break any rules, Umaga and Mealamu should have been punished. And the way he was portrayed in the NZ media was a bit unfair.
On the other hand though, it doesn't make any sense for NZ to intentionally take out BOD, and he wasn't as close to dying as it was made out. Tana Umaga didn't deserve to be painted as a dirty player either as it was one incident in a long career.

Its one of those situations where both parties are in the wrong i guess.

edit, i cant see what Jimmy Cowan being a **** head has to do with anything in particular?

 

[Sam Owen]

I think this should settle this hoorah..

Do we all agree Dan Carter is one of the top 2 first five eights in the WOOORRRLLD (world does include Europe)?...if you think yes then it doesnt matter where he plays, slow ball fast ball, good team bad team he'd still be one of the top 1st fives, if not the best. Even if his team is not so good or he gets smashed real bad its nothing Dan hasnt already experienced. If we feel he cant handle certain circumstances and enviroments in Rugby, why do we consider him one of the worlds best?... I conclude Dan to be one of the best 10's around and would be able to contribute some world class positive plays to any struggling team. I trust our current finest doesnt matter where hes from and where hes going to play at the end of the day we all call it Rugby. Rugby is Rugby.

What happened to Brian was unfortunate and luckily for the Irish and world Rugby he recovered and continues to show us why hes the man. I feel he had the right to bring that tackle up in the media whenever he did for the fact that it couldve put him out of a job that Im sure he loves. However I think Dizzy was trying to make the point that Rugby in NZ is just as rough as it is up north but somehow it strayed away from what he was trying to say.

 

[Larksea]

funny watching that vid again, It doesn't look good but interestingly from what I can see Tana didn't have much to do with it, it was mostly Mealamu.

And to me that says it all, Kevin is maybe the nicest guy in rugby. People often comment that he's too nice to captian Auckland ot the Blues. I dont think there is a bad bone in his body, and he would have to go down as one of the cleanest guys in rugby as well.

As far as NH vs SH rugby goes I can't comment much as I dont watch NE rugby other than when the AB's travel up there and complete unbeaten Tours. Sometimes without even conceding any trys

But I'd be interested in hearing why people would think any NH rugby competition is superior even though the best players from the three best rugby nations in the world aren't involved.

 

[Dizzy]

I think this should settle this hoorah..

Do we all agree Dan Carter is one of the top 2 first five eights in the WOOORRRLLD (world does include Europe)?...if you think yes then it doesnt matter where he plays, slow ball fast ball, good team bad team he'd still be one of the top 1st fives, if not the best. Even if his team is not so good or he gets smashed real bad its nothing Dan hasnt already experienced. If we feel he cant handle certain circumstances and enviroments in Rugby, why do we consider him one of the worlds best?... I conclude Dan to be one of the best 10's around and would be able to contribute some world class positive plays to any struggling team. I trust our current finest doesnt matter where hes from and where hes going to play at the end of the day we all call it Rugby. Rugby is Rugby.

What happened to Brian was unfortunate and luckily for the Irish and world Rugby he recovered and continues to show us why hes the man. I feel he had the right to bring that tackle up in the media whenever he did for the fact that it couldve put him out of a job that Im sure he loves. However I think Dizzy was trying to make the point that Rugby in NZ is just as rough as it is up north but somehow it strayed away from what he was trying to say.

Bang on there Sam, im tired of watching the SH rugby scene be blanched and us new zealanders are too nice we just let it slide, so I had enough and said something

 

[Dizzy]

Are you for real?

Jimmy Cowan ... please click Here ... remember that? Oh wait you will come along and say that was ages old and blah di blah blah! Cowan also makes himself a target for all the off the ball things he does ... oh wait let me guess you will go he never does it intentionally on purpose?

As for the Umaga / Mealamu / BOD incident im not going any further otherwise I can sense a full on wrath coming.

You're honestly bringing up Cowans alcohol abuse to counter my point that BOD is a sook?..
Firing blanks anyone?
I really don't care about Cowans off the ball things which make him a target. How does that even relate to what we're talking about? lmao