DC aiming for the Big money in Europe after the RWC

[squirrel]

yeah i say howell shocked me abit with all the success he had up there

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I think if Dan Carter played over there or anywhere he'd go good. If he was eligable for Ireland it'll be goodbye O'Gara IMO.

Carter could probably walk into any national team in the world
imo he's the best #10 (arguably the best player fullstop) in ze world

It's a shame he was injured after just 5 games for Perpignan, that could've put an end to all of this silliness

 

[ranger]

Christan Cullen struggled and Carter might be good but he isn't as good as before and well he won't be in a team as dominant as All Blacks

Christian Cullen was an outside back, they don't age as well as flyhalves. And anyway it wasn't the rugby in europe Cullen struggled with it was his own body breaking down on him. He was just injured all the time. Without wanting to annoy anyone, the list of SH players who came up there and succeeded is alot longer than the list of those who failed...

Carter isnt just good, hes one of the best players NZ has ever produced. You're talking nonsense mate.
Its like me saying BOD wouldn't be able to handle the pace of the NZ game if they came down here.

 

[ranger]

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[munstermuffin]

I not saying Carter poor I agree he best 10 in world but his body is letting him down and I was just saying in Europe he'll be getting slower ball and therefore lined up and nailed by backrows more often if he came to uk or Ireland.

 

[squirrel]

yeah and its a fair point muffin and to be honest he hasnt been that special for the crusaders for the last couple of seasons, he tends to thrive on the big stage

 

[dangandan]

i don't think that's going to affect him at all. as said, he's the best 10 and arguably the best player in the world. it's not like we're talking about just anyone. guys like nick evans and andrew mertens have gone up north and gone on to playing integral roles in their respective teams. i'm sure carter would adjust pretty quickly.

 

[squirrel]

yep nicky evans was a favourite of mine thought he should have been fullback for the ABs, i would go as far to say id rather him as my pivot than DC i rate him that much

 

[munstermuffin]

Dan Carter is good but like he has had injuries in his legs that will effect him in future and my point is Dan Carter will have to readjust a bit of his game but he is capable of it

 

[ranger]

I not saying Carter poor I agree he best 10 in world but his body is letting him down and I was just saying in Europe he'll be getting slower ball and therefore lined up and nailed by backrows more often if he came to uk or Ireland.

Carter has risen up the ranks dealing with Jerry Collins and Marty Holah, he can handle backrows running at him. Its not like he has been behind a dominant pack in every game he has ever played until this point... your whole point is kind of weak

 

[munstermuffin]

Well he has played with them and I just feel if he was put in a ML game or Premiership game there would be some major bangs that he wouldn't be used to and well it alot slower pace here so he'd be tested more in that regard.

 

[ranger]

Well he has played with them and I just feel if he was put in a ML game or Premiership game there would be some major bangs that he wouldn't be used to and well it alot slower pace here so he'd be tested more in that regard.

What do you mean there would be some major bangs int the ML or Premiership? do you think we play touch rugby down here?
I don't know how those delicate little flowers like Filo Tiatia, Lifiemi Mafi, Jerry Collins, Rua Tipoki or Brian Lima ever handled the transition into the rougher half of the globe.. with all those big bangs they are completely not used to..

Christ, Carter has taken his share of hits in his time. He knows what it feels like and he can handle it, i dont even agree with the sentiment at all that he will get more or less big hits on him in europe. You're finding differences where there aren't any. He has grown up playing all his rugby against Samoans for goodness sake!

This is what happens when he gets a big hit that he is entirely not used to. He pops the ball off and gets straight back up.

 

[munstermuffin]

So your saying in SH the ball back is as slow and players skill levels in the soggy rain and icy conditions is as slow. I don't think so and hey itbonly my opinion I sure If/when Carter comes then I'll be proven wrong

 

[munstermuffin]

And well from working with Howlett and Mafi and even Wian Du Preez they've all made comment that here the body is tested more in terms of strength and durability but sure what would they know either yeah

 

[ranger]

So your saying in SH the ball back is as slow and players skill levels in the soggy rain and icy conditions is as slow. I don't think so and hey itbonly my opinion I sure If/when Carter comes then I'll be proven wrong

Im saying that players get hit just as often.
I could just as easily say that the slow nature of play and the soggy conditions means that players cant get the momentum required to really deliver massive hits. Stagnant play = slower speeds = lower force.
In NZ with such a free flowing game and things being as unstructured as they are blindside tackles, hospital pass hits and the like happen all the time. Just look at the play in the video i showed you, he got absolutely collected. I could show you hours of highlight reels showing guys getting lit up down here, how did you think Brian Lima got the nickname "The Chiropractor" in SH rugby?

Teams have tried targeting Carter to rattle him in the past and don't really do it anymore, if it worked at all then its a tactic they would have used it more often. Hes tough enough to take it, but that is a complete moot point because he isn't likely to face anything he hasn't already experienced in NZ anyway..

 

[munstermuffin]

Fair point it just shows the difference in games and well I know Lima did arrive with that rep but since he's been in Europe and well he was with Munster briefly he hasn't been a player I'd say lived up to that area of his game but as you say there many ways to look at it and everyone is entitled to opinion. Mine is jus based on workingand talking to players who have played both.

 

[donmcdazzle]

Yeah DC would really struggle...

I don't get the point of saying slow ball would make him ineffective? I could understand it if these reservations were about a guy like carlos spencer, more of a running first five. DC has one of the best kicking games in the world so i just dont get how you think he couldn't handle slow ball? What do all the 'good' NH first fives have that DC doesn't?

 

[squirrel]

slow ball would force him to play differently, thats the point, someone said that carter is 300% better than wilko well maybe he is with quick ball and hard grounds but with slow ball and soggy grounds and a relentless schedule is he worth 150% more than a wilko

 

[ranger]

Fair point it just shows the difference in games and well I know Lima did arrive with that rep but since he's been in Europe and well he was with Munster briefly he hasn't been a player I'd say lived up to that area of his game but as you say there many ways to look at it and everyone is entitled to opinion. Mine is jus based on workingand talking to players who have played both.

He never played a game for munster to be fair. They signed him directly after seeing him repeatedly destroy Mirco Bergamaso (in europe), but he got injured and never pulled on the jersey. I have also seen him dealing out punishment for bristol with my own eyes.
On the subject of Lima, try telling Derrick Hougard that flyhalves don't have to contend with getting hit in the SH game:


"major bangs that he wouldn't be used to" aye?

And well from working with Howlett and Mafi and even Wian Du Preez they've all made comment that here the body is tested more in terms of strength and durability but sure what would they know either yeah

??? Aside from obviously trying show how huge your dick is for apparently working as an errand boy at Munster (im incredibly impressed by the way...)
Do you really expect that in a situation where a professional rugby player is playing in Ireland, and an Irish fanboy from Ireland comes up and asks how tough the rugby is in Ireland, do you really expect that guy to then turn around and say "nah mate, actually i thought it was much tougher back in NZ, im just here in my twilight years trying to milk some easy money"?

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't hold as much sway as you think it does.

 

[donmcdazzle]

slow ball would force him to play differently, thats the point, someone said that carter is 300% better than wilko well maybe he is with quick ball and hard grounds but with slow ball and soggy grounds and a relentless schedule is he worth 150% more than a wilko

I realise he would have to play differently with slow ball, which is why I countered with the question that what does his game lack that would mean he wouldn't be as effective? I'd also like to point out that winter in christchurch isn't exactly tropical, we get plenty of rain in NZ so these guys do know how to play in conditions other than sunshine.

Your argument that slow ball and soggy grounds means he isn't that much better than wilko could be applied to any back.. E.g. ma'a nonu is 400% the player mike tindall is but in **** conditions with slow ball and soft underfoot he's maybe only 200% better.. it's pointless. Also i couldn't let the "relentless schedule" and wilko in the same sentece go by unchallenged. Wilko is made of paper mache, i'd be better value for money than him playing a punishing schedule, he is the most injury prone player i've ever seen.