DC aiming for the Big money in Europe after the RWC

[Sam Owen]

Fair point it just shows the difference in games and well I know Lima did arrive with that rep but since he's been in Europe and well he was with Munster briefly he hasn't been a player I'd say lived up to that area of his game but as you say there many ways to look at it and everyone is entitled to opinion. Mine is jus based on workingand talking to players who have played both.

Brian was 34 years old when he went to Munster, Doug was 30.Like I said before many players from NZ go to Munster and other NH clubs to basically retire, see out their career and clubs over there know they're used goods/has beens but still offer them jerseys (and money of course) ahead of their born and breed players.

slow ball would force him to play differently, thats the point, someone said that carter is 300% better than wilko well maybe he is with quick ball and hard grounds but with slow ball and soggy grounds and a relentless schedule is he worth 150% more than a wilko

Both good players, Im not sure if you can really give an accurate percentage to seperate the 2.
Dan's use to very similar conditions to Europe being from the South Island and use to different forward packs, being slow or fast. Most of the time you get quick ball here in NZ 'cos thats how the games being played here. However there are many times when the ball is slow as well, it happens in Rugby anywhere. So slow ball, fast ball it doesnt really matter for Dan as he's seen it and handled it all before. As long as the halfback always fires it to Dan and doesnt pass it up in the air (lol) he'll take care of the rest.

 

[munstermuffin]

Lads as I said it just my opinion and well if I proved wrong so be it but I think even on Lions tours etc it shows the difference in game types but well if he had to play in a ground like the Sportsground in galway or Glasgow he'd know how big the difference would be.

And well some SH players came here on their pre and well this game suited them better eg. Rocky Elsom was well better suited to NH game in my opinion and argubaly took Leinster to Heineken Cup victory on his own

 

[Sam Owen]

Lads as I said it just my opinion and well if I proved wrong so be it but I think even on Lions tours etc it shows the difference in game types but well if he had to play in a ground like the Sportsground in galway or Glasgow he'd know how big the difference would be.

And well some SH players came here on their pre and well this game suited them better eg. Rocky Elsom was well better suited to NH game in my opinion and argubaly took Leinster to Heineken Cup victory on his own

Your opinion is yours and I will respect it, even if I dont agree with some of it but you'd be happy to know Im no expert brother. Ive never been to Galway or Glasgow so I cant comment on the differences between there and Jade Stadium. I have seen Dan play a blinder against the Lions however, where many say that he single-handedly beat the Lions (I know a bit exaggerated but he did play extremely well). Rocky's just a good player and is getting little old now but for his position I think the older the better. Rocky like Dan can play good anywhere IMO.

 

[lynam1104]

Rocky is only 27 i think not that old really.

 

[Sam Owen]

Rocky is only 27 i think not that old really.

Yeah I did say a 'little' old. Cullen left for Munster at around 27. Anyway 27 is a good age for a flanker like I said before the older the better it seems to be for some flankers.

 

[munstermuffin]

Agreed Rocky wasn't old I'm saying his game was suited here.
Sam I agree Dan did beat lions on his own practically and other teams too but chances are if he came to Europe he'd be relied on 100 times more for team he signs with than All Blacks and won't be in a team as dominant. Also he'll be underore pressure because it'd be known he's on massive money.
I not saying Carter will be a flop just for that amount of money it could be a slight gamble

 

[Sam Owen]

Oh yeah man its hard for anyone to shine when his team is making it hard for them. I see what you mean now. Hmm???...interesting.

 

[donmcdazzle]

I not saying Carter will be a flop just for that amount of money it could be a slight gamble

Paying anyone that high a wage is a gamble for sure, but if you were to gamble on anyone wouldn't it be the world's best player (by miles) in the most important position?

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

I haven't read all of this thread but the gist I get from it is that it may be a risk to pay huge money for Carter. I disagree.

Take for example a team like Munster. After the World Cup they'll likely carry on without Ronan O'Gara. Say what you want about the little prick but he's a key player for Munster and was instrumental in their successess over the last decade. Losing him could have disasterous consequences for Munster unless he's replaced. Already we've seen crowds at Thomond Park drop a little (although they're still among the best supported sides in Europe). What would happen if they're no longer successful? Signing Dan Carter would improve them significantly at flyhalf, keep them among the top teams in Europe, make more sponsors want to come on board and would have a hugely positive impact on matchday attendences and season ticket sales. He'd cost a lot of money but would be worth every penny to the Munster brand.

 

[munstermuffin]

I agree in that sense Snoop and I'd have Carter on my team any day just ask would he reach the same heights as he's sone in New Zealand

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Yes. We can dress it up any way we want but European rugby isn't as good as Sanzar rugby. If Carter came with the right attitude he'd easily be the best player plying his trade up here.

 

[munstermuffin]

I disagree I think the Heineken Cup is a better competition for passion and competitiveness but the Super Rugby has got better skilled players but I suppose that is what it comes down to. Is Carter coming for money or to win down here and retire with every medal possible

 

[Amobokoboko]

I think it depends on the result of the WC, if NZ wins it Carter will have won everything there is to win in the SH and if he's in shape I reckon he will give himself 100% ( he should do it for the paycheck he will be receiving) and win our NH hearts for him.
Might try to see some games when he 's in Europe

 

[Haysie]

How much was Ronaldo traded for?

 

[munstermuffin]

Something around £80million Sterling

 

[squirrel]

ive always wondered how larkham would have went in the north an awesome player but he was a running pivot so he would have needed to sign up for a team with some decent players outside him to be any real worth to a team and twe all know how good larkham was but he had to play in the right setup and thats kind of the point im trying to make with carter

 

[Dizzy]

man munstermuffin all your posts are hard to read. And they don't even make sense. It's like you're saying we don't have big hitters in SH and that in the NH they won't be able to handle the "big hits". I don't want to be accused of dogging the NH game again but I have to say this,

What happened when Brian O'Driscoll was lifted in a tackle[not even a huge collision by the way] by Tana Umaga, the man threw the toys out of his cot and went on a crybaby tantrum for a very long time.

And just ask Colin Charvis about handling a hit from Jerry Collins.

It seems as if the NH guys won't be able to handle the immense physicality down here.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I don't want to be accused of dogging the NH game again but I have to say this,

What happened when Brian O'Driscoll was lifted in a tackle[not even a huge collision by the way] by Tana Umaga, the man threw the toys out of his cot and went on a crybaby tantrum for a very long time.

It seems as if the NH guys won't be able to handle the immense physicality down here.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

man munstermuffin all your posts are hard to read. And they don't even make sense. It's like you're saying we don't have big hitters in SH and that in the NH they won't be able to handle the "big hits". I don't want to be accused of dogging the NH game again but I have to say this,

What happened when Brian O'Driscoll was lifted in a tackle[not even a huge collision by the way] by Tana Umaga, the man threw the toys out of his cot and went on a crybaby tantrum for a very long time.

And just ask Colin Charvis about handling a hit from Jerry Collins.

It seems as if the NH guys won't be able to handle the immense physicality down here.

Here's one for you ... shut up and stop trying to be a petty person.

I'll tell you what don't start mentioning the Umaga/ Mealamu / O'Driscoll thing for the love of god ... or I must just go there.



Oh wait I just did ....

That was not legal ... no matter how you dress the salad on it. Yes the Collins - Charvis hit was good but Im getting sick and tired of thread after thread descending into a NH vs. SH.

 

[Dizzy]

So what Olly and Cymro are saying is that it's ok for people to say that the Southern Hemisphere players won't handle the god-like game of the Nothern Hemisphere because it's super physical, but as soon as one of us Southern Hemispherians support our side of the game and provide evidence you all get on your high horse accusing us of dick swinging.

If you guys want to stop the NH vs SH then stop it as soon as it starts, don't let people belittle the SH game when we are clearly the dominant half of the globe. Because it seems that as soon as the NH game gets a small tinge of negetativity you all jump on whoever posted.

And so what it was illegal, I never said it wasn't, all I said was BOD couldn't handle it. I've seen plenty of that play in my time and it isn't that much of a biggy.

My points are all legit and if you guys can't handle it then don't say anything.