A Political Thread pt. 2

[Saintjay]

Labour shadow chancellor about a year ago: We must change the tax system, tax the wealthy more etc etc
Labour shadow chancellor now: How about no?

The Tories are absolutely crap and need to go out but bloody hell Labour are only getting in by merit of not being the Tories but merely Tory light. They really need to be doing more to put out policies to actually get people positively voting for them rather than just against the Tories. I fear it will be like the Lib Dems when they got into coalition, enacting Tory policies and the left wing will turn on them whilst the right wing will vote Tory and the Tories come straight back in. The country is going down the toilet and nobody at the top seems all that interested in actually tackling any of the problems properly.

Not a massive fan of Owen Jones or the novara media crowd. However he does speak about some things well.

It just seems Labour are scared stiff of not looking tough or being branded left wing wokerati. The solution is being seen to be tougher on things than the Tories, and torching as many left wing elements of the party as possible. I have no issue with the party moving more to the center after the Corbyn era. Yet the lack of support for workers pay etc has been appaling.

You had a Labour MP on LBC the other day and they even said a priority is to "stop the boats" . Maybe when i see a manifesto pre election I'll have idea of what the actual plan is on anything. Rather than getting in just because they are not the Tory party.

 

[SG59_]

People might not like a lot of what corbyn said (not that he would achieve most of it anyway) but he was offering real change.

Going by how fast Labour have flipped, I'd say it's easy to see why. He upset the right people.

 

[BiggusLaddus]

Yes, he upset the voters.

 

[SG59_]

He upset those profiteering.

 

[SG59_]

Yes, he upset the voters.

Yes, God forbid we have a service that's fully funded and designed to help people and not for lazy shareholders who want money for nothing.

 

[ncurd]

He a ******* ego manic whis only interested in his own deification by the left.

Here's his latest altruism.

Sorry Corbyn is not better than any other politician.

 

[SG59_]

We'll never know as he wasn't given a chance. Labour winning the next election is still better than the tories, but I'm not sure if it'll be by much. They don't seem to really want the changes we need.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't vote for who you want, vote for who Kier says is best for you

Starmer only has himself to blame if they lose the Mayorship considering how much he's jumped on Khan over ULEZ, which is just nuts considering how many places it's been implemented around the country with no big outrage - we've got a clean air zone in Birmingham, that didn't cause all the politicians to lose their minds

You can't kick Corbyn out of the party then cry if he runs as an independent

 

[ncurd]

Don't vote for who you want, vote for who Kier says is best for you

Starmer only has himself to blame if they lose the Mayorship considering how much he's jumped on Khan over ULEZ, which is just nuts considering how many places it's been implemented around the country with no big outrage - we've got a clean air zone in Birmingham, that didn't cause all the politicians to lose their minds

You can't kick Corbyn out of the party then cry if he runs as an independent

It's FPTP you get no extra credit for letting in a right wing idiot just because you got to vote forna version of left you'd prefer.

 

[ncurd]

Don't vote for who you want, vote for who Kier says is best for you

Starmer only has himself to blame if they lose the Mayorship considering how much he's jumped on Khan over ULEZ, which is just nuts considering how many places it's been implemented around the country with no big outrage - we've got a clean air zone in Birmingham, that didn't cause all the politicians to lose their minds

You can't kick Corbyn out of the party then cry if he runs as an independent

To go into more,

Why is Starmer to blame for kicking Khan about ULEZ? And whats that got to do with Corbyn is he anti-ULEZ? Surely if pro-ULEZ its not going to stop you voting for Khan.

As to Corbyn being kicked out that goes to my earlier point. He refuses to simply say sorry for something he did and is far less interested in actually being criticised and accepting that criticism. He's a "cult" leader who is only interested in himself and how he looks. If he wasn't he'd have admitted he got things wrong and would do better in the future.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Why is Starmer to blame for kicking Khan about ULEZ?

Because he did,
The bi-election fought saw Labour go haywire over the whole thing

And whats that got to do with Corbyn is he anti-ULEZ?

If the Labour candidate wasn't into a public battle with the party over this then maybe more would turn out for them instead of an independent

As to Corbyn being kicked out that goes to my earlier point. He refuses to simply say sorry for something he did and is far less interested in actually being criticised and accepting that criticism. He's a "cult" leader who is only interested in himself and how he looks. If he wasn't he'd have admitted he got things wrong and would do better in the future.

None of this means he's not allowed to run as an MP/Mayoral candidate - if Labour are so scared of him stealing their votes away and enabling the Tories then maybe they'd do well to look at what policies he has that are predicted to win a 15% share and borrow one or two

I get what you're saying, I hate fptp as much as the next guy, but he's not labour anymore and it he thinks he can make a difference as an independent he's entitled to do that

 

[Saintjay]

Labour fought hard over this, ignored the public consulation. Started to panic when Conservatives got a local councillor in. Lib Dems see it as a potential GE win and withdraw support for the charge. Labour scared stiff over a GE backlash yesterday pulled the plug. They were under heavy fire for ignoring the public consultant and trying to push it through.

 

[ncurd]

None of this means he's not allowed to run as an MP/Mayoral candidate - if Labour are so scared of him stealing their votes away and enabling the Tories then maybe they'd do well to look at what policies he has that are predicted to win a 15% share and borrow one or two

But that's kinda the point he hasn't announced policies. He hasn't even announced he's running. So its 15% votes on just him running as cult of personality.

If he had a real bone to fight with Khan I'd understand but that argument hasn't been put forward.

 

[SG59_]

To go into more,
As to Corbyn being kicked out that goes to my earlier point. He refuses to simply say sorry for something he did and is far less interested in actually being criticised and accepting that criticism. He's a "cult" leader who is only interested in himself and how he looks. If he wasn't he'd have admitted he got things wrong and would do better in the future.

I'm no defender of Corbyn, but I do believe some of the stuff he said was right - just look at private companies running vital services now. He wanted to bring these services back into our hands. As for the "sorry" saga, he did. For some reason though, he would be very strange when asked to apologise again by journalists. Very strange tbh as if he did, they would have just moved on to his other topics.

Regardless, it's been said a few times since his departure that Labour screwed him over in that last election. I wonder (and anyone who cares about politics should) why. Was it him being weird or was it him upsetting certain people within or around the party that wanted him out. Since then, we've seen Starmer u turn on loads of things. This makes me think those lining themselves up for a Labour win are hoping to get their fingers in the government till just like the tories have done. I find that concerning.

Are we getting a better party or just another group of suits to replace the old ones.

 

[General Melchett]

The only thing good about Corbyn is that he is anti establishment.

If he became PM his premiership would fold like a red hot mars bar. I genuinely believe that he would be ousted in a matter of weeks just like Truss was.

 

[SG59_]

No doubt he would. The private companies are too happy with the current arrangement and would do everything to stop him cutting them off. I think the only options we have with them is to wait for the contracts to end or buy them out.

If Labour etc decide to sign new contracts, they need rules that better protect us next time. Cap profits, certain targets must be hit or they forfeit the contract, a tighter leash so they're not laughing at our misey.

 

[ncurd]

Are we getting a better party or just another group of suits to replace the old ones.

People say similar about Blair they need to look at what his governements actually accomplished.

 

[ncurd]

 

[SG59_]

If we're getting that Labour, that's great. I'm just concerned we're getting something more right wing.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Bad earthquake in Morocco.