A Political Thread pt. 2

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[ncurd]

Real issue of politics today, you go after someone for legitimate law breaking and they try a both sides arguement.

Biden impeachment inquiry: McCarthy says House will investigate president

Senior Republican Kevin McCarthy says the inquiry will investigate allegations of abuse of power.

www.bbc.com

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Real issue of politics today, you go after someone for legitimate law breaking and they try a both sides arguement.

Biden impeachment inquiry: McCarthy says House will investigate president

Senior Republican Kevin McCarthy says the inquiry will investigate allegations of abuse of power.

www.bbc.com

It's all because the extremists have threatened McCarthy's position as speaker if he doesn't pander to them and threatened to derail any budget talks without impeachment stuff (and/or defunding all investigations into Trump). This will likely go the same way as the Bill Clinton impeachment and turn even more people against the Republicans as the lunatic tail wags the majority dog. Republicans could grow a spine and take a hit now standing up the the MAGA morons, or they can triple or quadruple down and suffer for years to come.

 

[Gavin]

Quite incredible.

Negotiated the deal, sold it to the British public as a great deal, won a general election on the basis of it being a great deal to 'Get Brexit Done, gained a peerage due to the deal...

Now claims the deal was created so it would fail

 

[Which Tyler]

Doesn't that, pretty much, meet the definition of traitor?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

TL;DR UK is being snubbed on the world stage and "global Britain" is a farce. But something some Brexit, stupid hair and criminality! As was mentioned, the UK outside the EU is not the big player we think we are, and other countries are showing that is the case.

 

[Gavin]

 

[Amiga500]

To be honest, there has been quite a bit of stuff released fairly recently* about alien/UFOs. You'd almost think there was some collusion going on and various govts were building up to something.
But then, you look at the shambles of the world and think "nah", they couldn't organise a ****-up in a brewery never mind that.

At this point, I'm taking it as a given that (i) there is alien life not too far away in the cosmos and (ii) it has visited earth.

*of particular note being the US Navy's own HUD cam releases of airborne craft with performance so far beyond their own it wouldn't have been terrestrial.

 

[Welsh Exile]

To be honest, there has been quite a bit of stuff released fairly recently* about alien/UFOs. You'd almost think there was some collusion going on and various govts were building up to something.
But then, you look at the shambles of the world and think "nah", they couldn't organise a ****-up in a brewery never mind that.

At this point, I'm taking it as a given that (i) there is alien life not too far away in the cosmos and (ii) it has visited earth.

*of particular note being the US Navy's own HUD cam releases of airborne craft with performance so far beyond their own it wouldn't have been terrestrial.

A given that there's alien life not too far away? Really? What evidence is there for that or anything you've said?

I've heard of this whistleblower testifying who doesn't even have any first hand info which is mildly interesting and I guess if what he's saying about spaceships the size of football fields are true then it's only a matter of time until it's all revealed. I won't be holding my breath.

 

[ncurd]

The ultimate guide to any conspiracy is ask yourself how many people would have to be involved to keep the secret. Once you get beyond a handful tangible evidence does get out. Yet I've never seen any on this front. If there was news outlets would write about it.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I'm pretty confident that no aliens have ever visited Earth nor ever will. Travelling faster than light, which is pretty much a requirement, creates causality paradoxes. I remember watching videos that explained it fairly intuitively:

 

[Amiga500]

A given that there's alien life not too far away? Really? What evidence is there for that or anything you've said?

So the JWST has found a potential planet with life a mere 120 light years away.

Tantalising sign of possible life on faraway world

Nasa's James Webb Telescope may have discovered a molecule thought only to be produced by life.

www.bbc.co.uk

120 light years in astronomical terms is nothing, about 0.1% of the diameter of the milky way. Hence my "not too far away".

Then the USN videos:


Thats CNBC - you'll find the same on loads of reputable outlets. Or direct from the DoD if you want:

Statement by the Department of Defense on the Release of Historical Navy Videos

The Department of Defense has authorized the release of three unclassified Navy videos, one taken in November 2004 and the other two in January 2015, which have been circulating in the public domain

www.defense.gov

https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents?name=&field_document_description_value=

Videos at bottom of that last link.

 

[Welsh Exile]

So the JWST has found a potential planet with life a mere 120 light years away.

Tantalising sign of possible life on faraway world

Nasa's James Webb Telescope may have discovered a molecule thought only to be produced by life.

www.bbc.co.uk

120 light years in astronomical terms is nothing, about 0.1% of the diameter of the milky way. Hence my "not too far away".

Then the USN videos:


Thats CNBC - you'll find the same on loads of reputable outlets. Or direct from the DoD if you want:

Statement by the Department of Defense on the Release of Historical Navy Videos

The Department of Defense has authorized the release of three unclassified Navy videos, one taken in November 2004 and the other two in January 2015, which have been circulating in the public domain

www.defense.gov

https://www.navair.navy.mil/foia/documents?name=&field_document_description_value=

Videos at bottom of that last link.

So not only are you sure aliens are not too far away and have visited earth you also know where they're from and they're from this planet? Mmmmm, I think I'll wait and see further evidence of this other than maybe they've found a molecule on another planet 120 light years away.

Have the navy and whoever else all come out and said these videos are alien spacecraft and what not. As far as I'm aware they haven't and poor quality videos that we don't necessarily 100% have an explanation for isn't really proof of the things you seem pretty certain on. There's that saying that goes extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and it seems your bar is quite low. But hey, I'd love for you to be right and hopefully some concrete stuff comes out soon.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

So not only are you sure aliens are not too far away and have visited earth you also know where they're from and they're from this planet? Mmmmm, I think I'll wait and see further evidence of this other than maybe they've found a molecule on another planet 120 light years away.

Have the navy and whoever else all come out and said these videos are alien spacecraft and what not. As far as I'm aware they haven't and poor quality videos that we don't necessarily 100% have an explanation for isn't really proof of the things you seem pretty certain on. There's that saying that goes extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and it seems your bar is quite low. But hey, I'd love for you to be right and hopefully some concrete stuff comes out soon.

I wouldn't. If history has taught us anything, it's that when a more advanced civilization meets a less advanced one, it never ends well for the latter. If aliens exist and are visiting us, chances are we are ******.

 

[Amiga500]

I'm pretty confident that no aliens have ever visited Earth nor ever will. Travelling faster than light, which is pretty much a requirement, creates causality paradoxes. I remember watching videos that explained it fairly intuitively:

He said several times - "our understanding of physics today".

We don't even know why the universe is continuing to accelerate further apart. We've hand waving postulations on dark matter. I expect our knowledge is extremely immature.

 

[Amiga500]

So not only are you sure aliens are not too far away and have visited earth you also know where they're from and they're from this planet? Mmmmm, I think I'll wait and see further evidence of this other than maybe they've found a molecule on another planet 120 light years away.

No, I've only said there may be life on a planet a mere 120 light years from earth. Don't put words in my mouth.
I've made absolutely no inferences as to whether its single cell or advanced civilisation.

Have the navy and whoever else all come out and said these videos are alien spacecraft and what not. As far as I'm aware they haven't and poor quality videos that we don't necessarily 100% have an explanation for isn't really proof of the things you seem pretty certain on. There's that saying that goes extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and it seems your bar is quite low. But hey, I'd love for you to be right and hopefully some concrete stuff comes out soon.

No they haven't. They've just said they are unexplained.
IMO they are not poor quality - and you have professional aviators in high performance aircraft well aware they are witnessing something beyond their own aircraft's capabilities.

If you are looking for ET to take out a double-page spread in most broadsheets, then your probably never going to have the "proof" you want unless they decide to do as Ragey says*.


*as a counter to that - aliens would probably have **** all interest in earth beyond it being a home to 7 billion vaguely interesting primative lab rats. You'll get all the material you want from asteroids.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

He said several times - "our understanding of physics today".

We don't even know why the universe is continuing to accelerate further apart. We've hand waving postulations on dark matter. I expect our knowledge is extremely immature.

Ok then, let's say an alien civilization is advanced enough to master faster than light travel, why would they be crashing on Earth or flying a few hundred metres above the ground? We have sent people to the moon and got them back ok and we don't need to be in craft visible to the naked eye to observe our surface. Hell, we can make a pretty good estimate of the makeup of planet atmospheres light years away. That's with our "extremely immature" knowledge. I also find the contradiction of an unfathomably advanced alien civilization that is also unfathomable prone to crashes (always small crash with 1 or 2 aliens) something that is consistently glossed over.

If these odd small craft are getting to Earth that gives you the following options:
1 - They are so advanced that getting to Earth is childs play and any old whacko can do it. In which case, it would be happening all the time and we'd be getting inundated with aliens
2 - Anyone can do it and we are actually surrounded by masses of alien tech all the time that is kept hidden, in which case they could very easily have cleaned up after themselves if they wanted to keep it secret

Why are we not having massive alien ships crashing to Earth with crew in the thousands? Why do these aliens and their ships always reflect whatever is in style in movies at the time? Why in this age of all sorts of things being caught on camera and whisked around the world on social media is there such an absence of completely indisputable evidence? Belief in technologically advanced aliens visiting Earth (abductions or crashes) involve so many internal contradictions, just like conspiracies that try to simultaneously claim an insidious and all knowing group are controlling the world and monitoring everything, hiding all evidence and silencing all who reveal anything, now watch this Youtube video from 5 years ago explaining it that has somehow survived this group.

 

[The Seeker]

 

[Welsh Exile]

No, I've only said there may be life on a planet a mere 120 light years from earth. Don't put words in my mouth.
I've made absolutely no inferences as to whether its single cell or advanced civilisation.



No they haven't. They've just said they are unexplained.
IMO they are not poor quality - and you have professional aviators in high performance aircraft well aware they are witnessing something beyond their own aircraft's capabilities.

If you are looking for ET to take out a double-page spread in most broadsheets, then your probably never going to have the "proof" you want unless they decide to do as Ragey says*.


*as a counter to that - aliens would probably have **** all interest in earth beyond it being a home to 7 billion vaguely interesting primative lab rats. You'll get all the material you want from asteroids.

I asked you what evidence you had for there being life (implied in the question was life capable of space travel but not specified admittedly) not too far away and you posted that bbc article. I took that to mean these aliens that have visited Earth have come from there or are there any other planets or evidence you're aware of that would suport your initial claim?

To be honest I don't really care to much for what pilots are saying. Pilots are human their senses can be deceived just like all of us and again it's not like we have tens of thousands of pilots all over the world coming out screaming aliens, just a few saying I saw some crazy ****. I'd need more than that.