A Political Thread pt. 2

[pagliaccio_euforico]

The ultimate guide to any conspiracy is ask yourself how many people would have to be involved to keep the secret. Once you get beyond a handful tangible evidence does get out. Yet I've never seen any on this front. If there was news outlets would write about it.

We can't even do a war without one idiot in one country leaking crap on discord.

 

[Amiga500]

Ok then, let's say an alien civilization is advanced enough to master faster than light travel, why would they be crashing on Earth or flying a few hundred metres above the ground? We have sent people to the moon and got them back ok and we don't need to be in craft visible to the naked eye to observe our surface. Hell, we can make a pretty good estimate of the makeup of planet atmospheres light years away. That's with our "extremely immature" knowledge. I also find the contradiction of an unfathomably advanced alien civilization that is also unfathomable prone to crashes (always small crash with 1 or 2 aliens) something that is consistently glossed over.

Sorry, what? Am I saying there are crashes? I don't see a crash in any of the videos I see. I don't see any of my posts point toward the clearly mad tinfoil hat crash/abduction/government-has-aliens-in-the-basement stuff.

As to why allow yourself to be observed. Who the fuk knows. Could be alien teenagers doing drive bys and laughing at the primitive monkeys for all I know. Or anthropologists studying planetary development or something.

If these odd small craft are getting to Earth that gives you the following options:
1 - They are so advanced that getting to Earth is childs play and any old whacko can do it. In which case, it would be happening all the time and we'd be getting inundated with aliens
2 - Anyone can do it and we are actually surrounded by masses of alien tech all the time that is kept hidden, in which case they could very easily have cleaned up after themselves if they wanted to keep it secret

Erm, no. There are more options than those - and it does kinda show the limits of your thinking given such obvious preconception.
1 & 2. We as a species aren't that interesting, nor is our dirty planet. How interested would you be in going for a big trip around stone age earth?
Further options you haven't considered:
3. Its actually quite difficult to come here (for whatever reason), so few make the effort.
4. There are regulations minimise impact of spacefaring races on primitive societies
5. There are (for whatever reason) relatively few resources in this region of space, so not much exploring for exploitation.

 

[Amiga500]

I asked you what evidence you had for there being life (implied in the question was life capable of space travel but not specified admittedly) not too far away and you posted that bbc article. I took that to mean these aliens that have visited Earth have come from there or are there any other planets or evidence you're aware of that would suport your initial claim?

No, I definitely did not make any such assertions. If you misread me, your problem.

Here's a question, if after peer review its concluded there is an extremely high probability that the planet observed by JWST does have life (of whatever state we don't know) - will that change anything in your mindset?

Or are you asking me to present photographic evidence of a planet with civilisation on it somewhere else in the cosmos?

To be honest I don't really care to much for what pilots are saying. Pilots are human their senses can be deceived just like all of us and again it's not like we have tens of thousands of pilots all over the world coming out screaming aliens, just a few saying I saw some crazy ****. I'd need more than that.

So we've the pilots saying they don't know what it is, the onboard video showing it, and after review by various US DoD experts, the US DoD releases the footage as unexplained. Not exactly a few hillbillies in a crop duster.

To be honest, you seem like someone that'd need them breaking out the proverbial low-rider and hopping down heathrow runway in broad daylight.

Given the observed accelerations and speeds; the gap from where we (mankind) are right now in aero engineering to where something that would have that performance is - its more likely to be extra-terrestrial in origin. Albeit it is possible that the USAF have somehow made a series of breakthroughs enabling a paradigm shift* in aeronautics and the UFO stuff is disinformation.

*talking genuine sci-fi stuff here - inertial dampening etc.

 

[Welsh Exile]

No, I definitely did not make any such assertions. If you misread me, your problem.

Here's a question, if after peer review its concluded there is an extremely high probability that the planet observed by JWST does have life (of whatever state we don't know) - will that change anything in your mindset?

Or are you asking me to present photographic evidence of a planet with civilisation on it somewhere else in the cosmos?



So we've the pilots saying they don't know what it is, the onboard video showing it, and after review by various US DoD experts, the US DoD releases the footage as unexplained. Not exactly a few hillbillies in a crop duster.

To be honest, you seem like someone that'd need them breaking out the proverbial low-rider and hopping down heathrow runway in broad daylight.

Given the observed accelerations and speeds; the gap from where we (mankind) are right now in aero engineering to where something that would have that performance is - its more likely to be extra-terrestrial in origin. Albeit it is possible that the USAF have somehow made a series of breakthroughs enabling a paradigm shift* in aeronautics and the UFO stuff is disinformation.

*talking genuine sci-fi stuff here - inertial dampening etc.

Will that change anything about my mindset about aliens being among us or what? I'm not really sure what you're asking me? There's a bit of a difference between whether they discover single cell organisms or intergalactic travelling space aliens and my mindset would be different in either scenario. If they proved there was sentient life on this planet and it was peer reviewed then I imagine they would have a wealth or amazing evidence but I'm not sure how they would come to such conclusive evidence for them to categorically say that was the case but, sure, if they did then of course I would change my mind. If they even discovered single celled organisms it would one the greatest, if not the greatest, discovery of all time. But obviously single celled organisms can't build spacecrafts and fly around earth so that definitely wouldn't change my mindset with regards to your initial claim.

As I say, extraordinary claims (and yours are extraordinary) require extraordinary evidence. Same for religious people that believe zombie Jesus is going to come back one day, well you I know what, I'm going to need to actually see that **** for real before I believe it I'm afraid and as you've pointed out we've got a load of people saying we don't know what this is which isn't convincing.

I heard Brian Cox taking about this and his guess, and it is a total guess obviously, is that we're probably alone in the galaxy in terms of sentient, self aware life, but theres more than likely life in other galaxies. I think that seems reasonable. Certainly more reasonable than than aliens flying around all over the place. But look, hope you're right. I genuinely think it would be awesome.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Sorry, what? Am I saying there are crashes? I don't see a crash in any of the videos I see. I don't see any of my posts point toward the clearly mad tinfoil hat crash/abduction/government-has-aliens-in-the-basement stuff.

As to why allow yourself to be observed. Who the fuk knows. Could be alien teenagers doing drive bys and laughing at the primitive monkeys for all I know. Or anthropologists studying planetary development or something.



Erm, no. There are more options than those - and it does kinda show the limits of your thinking given such obvious preconception.
1 & 2. We as a species aren't that interesting, nor is our dirty planet. How interested would you be in going for a big trip around stone age earth?
Further options you haven't considered:
3. Its actually quite difficult to come here (for whatever reason), so few make the effort.
4. There are regulations minimise impact of spacefaring races on primitive societies
5. There are (for whatever reason) relatively few resources in this region of space, so not much exploring for exploitation.

Ok you believe what you want.

 

[Which Tyler]

The ultimate guide to any conspiracy is ask yourself how many people would have to be involved to keep the secret. Once you get beyond a handful tangible evidence does get out. Yet I've never seen any on this front. If there was news outlets would write about it.

If anything, the dodgy evidence seemed to decrease at the precise moment pretty much everyone on the planet had a camera in their pocket

 

[Amiga500]

Ok you believe what you want.

I'm obviously going to do that.

Out of interest, can you explain the USN videos? [The nearest known analogous vehicles would be the X-43 and X-51; but both are light years away from what was observed]

 

[Welsh Exile]

I'm obviously going to do that.

Out of interest, can you explain the USN videos? [The nearest known analogous vehicles would be the X-43 and X-51; but both are light years away from what was observed]

Why does everything have to have an explanation?Sometimes the answer is we don't know. Personally I think that's better than making massive leaps in logic with no credible evidence whatsoever but that's me.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Conspiracy theories appeal because they offer meaning and purpose and help sell books. I mean look at this: stay silent for 60 years and then come out of the works to make another claim.

Ex-Secret Service agent reveals new JFK assassination detail https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66792977

 

[Welsh Exile]

To be honest, the JFK conspiracy is a bit more believable mainly due to the fact that it could, in theory, satisfy @ncurd premise of how many people know about whatever conspiracy. There could of potentially been a relatively small amount of people involved in some dodgy stuff relating to the JFK assassination which makes the conspiracy easier to cover up. Not saying there was and i'm sure there's a lot of crack pots out there as well but just saying it's more plausible than say Aliens flying around or building pyramids and what not.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

There could of potentially been a relatively small amount of people involved in some dodgy stuff relating to the JFK assassination which makes the conspiracy easier to cover up.

Or in the 60 years since it is easier and more plausible to believe a lone nut with a gun managed to kill the POTUS. Not that USA has a gun culture problem or that they don't have a huge deficit in trust in the government and its agencies.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Or in the 60 years since it is easier and more plausible to believe a lone nut with a gun managed to kill the POTUS. Not that USA has a gun culture problem or that they don't have a huge deficit in trust in the government and its agencies.

Sure, just saying it's more plausible than your larger scale conspiracy theories like covid or whatever.

 

[Gavin]

The next UK election could be one of the worst in terms of vitriol

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I'm obviously going to do that.

Out of interest, can you explain the USN videos? [The nearest known analogous vehicles would be the X-43 and X-51; but both are light years away from what was observed]

No, nor do I need to.

The next UK election could be one of the worst in terms of vitriol

Certainly from the Tories, they can't run on their record nor can they attempt to take any sort of moral high ground on any front so all that remains is lies, mud slinging and culture wars.

 

[Reiser99]

Rogue Russian pilot tried to shoot down RAF aircraft in 2022

The pilot fired two missiles - the first missed rather than malfunctioned, as was claimed at the time.

www.bbc.co.uk

Honestly, I find it a bit worrying the lengths the UK and US will go to to avoid a war. Yes a war will be terrible, but Putin has been shown that he will take advantage of any weakness and just backing down each time will only embolden him.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Sure, just saying it's more plausible than your larger scale conspiracy theories like covid or whatever.

Larger scale? How does the POTUS getting killed at the height of the Cold War and Americans thinking it could be the Soviet Union at the time and starting WW3 and killing millions from launching nuclear weapons be any smaller. They are all BS theories based on kernals of truth. Hence why they appeal to certain people and are taken in.

 

[Which Tyler]

Surely "scale" means "number of people who know but keep silent" not "how it affects the rest of the world"

An assassination attempt could involve what? less than half a dozen people. An "Aliens are here" cover up would need, what? a few thousand? over multiple generations.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Surely "scale" means "number of people who know but keep silent" not "how it affects the rest of the world"

An assassination attempt could involve what? less than half a dozen people. An "Aliens are here" cover up would need, what? a few thousand? over multiple generations.

Like the South Yorkshire and West Midlands police "colluding" to cover up and shifting the blame on Liverpool fans for the Hillsborough disaster or the BBC in the case of Jimmy Saville which were provable then yes which undermine the accountability and trust in authorities in this country.

Not in fiction created in the case of Aliens (just make believe IMO like the Loch Ness Monster), JFK assassination (only involved one who wanted to be infamous because he was a nobody working in a lowly book depository job with the means and opportunity) and the lab leak Covid theory. All of these start from an idea which spreads because it "could" be believeable to people who are gullible (want to believe) rather than scale of people or the authorities required cover it up . And that just show we live in a blame game culture.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Man killed in Stonnall American bully XL attack named

The prime minister vows to ban the breed following the death of 52-year-old Ian Price.

www.bbc.co.uk

This happened very close to me, absolutely insane

I saw this article on twitter and the tweet below was about a 10yr old in Walsall playing football in front of his house on Wednesday and got mauled by an escaped XL bully

There's two XL bullies in my village and I will go absolutely nowhere near them - if I see them when I'm walking my dog I just turn and leave - not worth being the statistic when they eventually snap

People can say it's a training thing all they want, and I agree that if trained professionally and properly these dogs probably can make good pets, but when the alternative is a 70kg heap of muscle tearing the throat out of anything within snapping distance?

Guy who lives opposite me is a retired military, and then police, dog trainer/handler and even he says he would want nothing to do with the breed

 

[Gavin]

Disgusting gaslighting