A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

He bankrupted casinos. Casinos.

This

 

[dirty harry]

I Don't buy he's a moron. He has some very bright and capable people around him. The same as there are very bright and capable people in the Republican party. The fact he's turned the party into this Maga hive mind is an achievement in itself.

People bought what he was selling. He knew what they wanted to hear and he sold it. Even as unpalatable as that was for some. That's far from stupid.

If he's a moron, his team and the Republicans. God knows what that says about the Democrats.

I actually think the smartest thing Trump and Republicans have done for the last decade, is enact Democrat policies and ideas and watched as the Dems scrambled to 180 on them.

Off the top of my head, Obama deported more people than Trump 1 did.

Pelosi gave a huge speech in Congress about 20 years ago about how the Chinese are mugging the US off, and they should reciprocate the 30% tarriffs to increase jobs etc.

We're going to have to disagree then, many who have worked with him directly throughout his life have confirmed he is a moron. You need a certain degree of manipulative ability certainly and bags of self-assurance but the presidency is a popularity contest. Got to remember that his business empire was built primarily by his father, not him. By the time he took the reins, the empire was already well established with a very capable team of advisors etc. The things we can put down as Trump ideas were pretty much universally failures.

All the way from uni, where one of his professors said Trump was the "dumbest goddam student I ever had" to the presidency where multiple senior staff members called him an idiot. Whilst you may argue you don't get where Trump is by being a moron, I say you also don't get that many people close to you throughout your life calling you a moron if you aren't.

Hell Reagan became president and the guy is well known for being thick as ****.

Trump is a manipulator, which is not the same as being a strategist. By their nature highly impulsive people are also awful at long term thinking.

The only flaw with this, is that all these allegations came after the magical turn of 2015, where he was pretty much USA and New Yorks darling, mentioned by every rapper in songs, TV shows, award winning TV shows, awards for numerous accomplishments including by those who turned out to claim they always hated him (Al Sharpton being one lol).

He ****** a lot of people off, and spurned people aren't always the most truthfull.

The number Trump inherited is disputed, Trump's claim of small loans are bull **** obviously, but the figure is estimated to be between 100 and 400 million? He's worth what now, somewhere between 4 and 7 billion? Although ironically probably much less after the last few weeks hahaha.

One stat I always found interesting, is that becoming president has always cost Trump money, I think he's the only president in US history, maybe even politician who didn't gain a huge fortune from his merger salary. He was on the Forbes list since the 90s, but his first term made him drop out in 22 I think. Whether that's a sign of stupidity, longer term goals, or civic duty I'll let you guys decide.

Also, let's not be silly enough to count chapter 11 cases, debt and bankruptcy are not just common occurrences of the super successful, they are tool to avoid liabilities, and probably more sinister to avoid accountability

 

[dirty harry]

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/114297073854983088

Strumpet said it himself on twuth.

Ok, is your stance that anything Trump says is false, like the same claim being made and evidenced by Reuters is less true because Trump agrees with it?

I've counted about 14 guarantees, letters, calls and meetings made stated by the leaders themselves, arguably the EU looking to negotiate after their meeting in Brussells adds what 28, although they said they wanted zero
to zero tarrif trade, that says to me they are looking to negotiate. None of us know the real number we aren't there...

But my point is, firstly that I don't care the number, I said from the start a domino falling early would start the trend, and a few weak leaders have wobbled within days. Netinyahu looks pretty happy with himself, he was like a rat up a drain pipe, as we're the Japanese and Bangladeshi.

 

[AlRums]

We're going to have to disagree then, many who have worked with him directly throughout his life have confirmed he is a moron. You need a certain degree of manipulative ability certainly and bags of self-assurance but the presidency is a popularity contest. Got to remember that his business empire was built primarily by his father, not him. By the time he took the reins, the empire was already well established with a very capable team of advisors etc. The things we can put down as Trump ideas were pretty much universally failures.

All the way from uni, where one of his professors said Trump was the "dumbest goddam student I ever had" to the presidency where multiple senior staff members called him an idiot. Whilst you may argue you don't get where Trump is by being a moron, I say you also don't get that many people close to you throughout your life calling you a moron if you aren't.

Hell Reagan became president and the guy is well known for being thick as ****.

Trump is a manipulator, which is not the same as being a strategist. By their nature highly impulsive people are also awful at long term thinking.

It's quite telling that not one of his previous administration is in this one (I think, I could be wrong)

 

[dirty harry]

Bessent making more bold claims now:

"Maybe almost 70" countries have reached out to the White House about negotiating tariffs, Bessent told Fox, including Japan, whose Prime Minister Ishiba spoke to Trump today.

Bessent expects Japan to "get priority" in negotiations in exchange for having come to the table quickly.

This is what I was afraid of, those who react early, getting patted on the head and offered 'priority'. I see that as demeaning and a very obvious ploy to heap pressure on, but I don't trust Starmer not to get rattled by something like this and get on his knees all puckered up ready to kiss some serious orange arse

 

[AlRums]

Ok, is your stance that anything Trump says is false, like the same claim being made and evidenced by Reuters is less true because Trump agrees with it?

I've counted about 14 guarantees, letters, calls and meetings made stated by the leaders themselves, arguably the EU looking to negotiate after their meeting in Brussells adds what 28, although they said they wanted zero
to zero tarrif trade, that says to me they are looking to negotiate. None of us know the real number we aren't there...

But my point is, firstly that I don't care the number, I said from the start a domino falling early would start the trend, and a few weak leaders have wobbled within days. Netinyahu looks pretty happy with himself, he was like a rat up a drain pipe, as we're the Japanese and Bangladeshi.

We know strumpet always lies, someone asked "who said 50, BBC?"

Near enough everything strumpet claims is later disproven, Zelensky, Putin to name just two. I actually trust them more for the truth than strumpet

This is today's fact check from CNN.

Fact check: Trump falsely says Europe doesn't buy anything from US, wildly exaggerates trade deficit with China

https://us.cnn.com/2025/04/07/politics/fact-check-trump-trade-europe-china/index.html

I'll wait on anything he says until an independent source confirms it.

Btw How about those reciprocal tariffs on nonexistent tariffs?

Don't forget the 30,000+ documented lies just from his first term alone.

 

[AlRums]

We know strumpet always lies, someone asked "who said 50, BBC?"

Near enough everything strumpet claims is later disproven, Zelensky, Putin to name just two. I actually trust them more for the truth than strumpet

This is today's fact check from CNN.

Fact check: Trump falsely says Europe doesn't buy anything from US, wildly exaggerates trade deficit with China

https://us.cnn.com/2025/04/07/politics/fact-check-trump-trade-europe-china/index.html

I'll wait on anything he says until an independent source confirms it.

Btw How about those reciprocal tariffs on nonexistent tariffs?

Don't forget the 30,000+ documented lies just from his first term alone.

Strumpet's scorecard on politifact

PolitiFact | Donald Trump

PolitiFact is a fact-checking website that rates the accuracy of claims by elected officials and others on its Truth-O-Meter.

www.politifact.com

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

The only flaw with this, is that all these allegations came after the magical turn of 2015, where he was pretty much USA and New Yorks darling, mentioned by every rapper in songs, TV shows, award winning TV shows, awards for numerous accomplishments including by those who turned out to claim they always hated him (Al Sharpton being one lol).

He ****** a lot of people off, and spurned people aren't always the most truthfull.

The number Trump inherited is disputed, Trump's claim of small loans are bull **** obviously, but the figure is estimated to be between 100 and 400 million? He's worth what now, somewhere between 4 and 7 billion? Although ironically probably much less after the last few weeks hahaha.

One stat I always found interesting, is that becoming president has always cost Trump money, I think he's the only president in US history, maybe even politician who didn't gain a huge fortune from his merger salary. He was on the Forbes list since the 90s, but his first term made him drop out in 22 I think. Whether that's a sign of stupidity, longer term goals, or civic duty I'll let you guys decide.

Also, let's not be silly enough to count chapter 11 cases, debt and bankruptcy are not just common occurrences of the super successful, they are tool to avoid liabilities, and probably more sinister to avoid accountability

The professors allegations came about before Trump even got close to politics. The ones in office obviously came about after. Yes it's possible spurned people aren't going to be honest but eventually when a clear pattern is emerging where the only common denominator is Trump, some credence needs to start being given to it.

Trump is a showman, I won't deny that, he has the over the top, larger than life personality to achieve that. I'll stick to what I said though, that isn't a sign of intelligence or a strategic thinker. As mentioned, Reagan became president and was exceptionally popular, in no way did that make him intelligent. On a simpler level, think back to school and think was it the intelligent, academically capable kids or the loud and self-assured kids who were more likely to be popular? Being popular is not a measure of intelligence.

Generally it was recognised that Trump could have taken his inheritance, invested it in the 100 leading shares at the time and he would have been wealthier than he was before he became president the first time. He didn't inherit just the wealth, he inherited the business and all the people who were making it successful in the first place.

Trump did plenty to enrich himself and his family whilst president. I haven't looked at the relative balance of it but he tarnished his brand as president among many and his organisation also had to deal with fraud accusations which they couldn't so easily bat away as when he was a private citizen.

He has certainly abused the bankruptcy and court systems but I cannot see the benefit of things like Trump airlines, Trump casinos, Trump steak, Trump university and his ownership of an NFL competitor league team all going under for him.

 

[ChicagoKid]

Keir is going to sell Scotland to get access to our markets.

 

[AlRums]

One stat I always found interesting, is that becoming president has always cost Trump money, I think he's the only president in US history, maybe even politician who didn't gain a huge fortune from his merger salary. He was on the Forbes list since the 90s, but his first term made him drop out in 22 I think. Whether that's a sign of stupidity, longer term goals, or civic duty I'll let you guys decide.

You fell for that one did you? All through that presidency (and this one) strumpet lined his pockets straight from the government and foreign leaders.

All meetings and events held at his properties, charging the govt hotel rates for his staff and security, requiring military flying to Europe to overnight at Glasgow and mandate they stayed at his golf club.

The Secret Service spent nearly $2 million at Trump properties - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Trump's presidential grifting had a real cost to taxpayers: nearly $2 million to protect the Trumps at their own properties.

www.citizensforethics.org

Making sure anyone who came to see him used his hotels in Washington to ensure they got to see him.

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/14/1136682162/foreign-officials-750-000-dollars-trump-hotel-dc

He's even still milking it, it's estimated that in 10 weeks he's cost the govt $26 million

Taxpayers' Tab For Trump's Second-Term Golf Excursions Crosses $26 Million Mark

He has now traveled to one of his golf resorts on nine of the ten weekends since taking office in January. It is his seventh trip to his Palm Beach, Florida, country club.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

And that's at 2017 costs.

This last weekend he has been coining it in at his clubs

Trump Family’s Cash Registers Ring as Financial Meltdown Plays Out

The party was on at a Saudi-backed LIV Golf tournament at the president’s Doral resort in Florida and a fund-raiser at Mar-a-Lago, even as markets tumbled.

www.nytimes.com

That probably doesn't include what LIV paid him to stage the events

All in all he does very nicely, he actually reported some $1.6 billion in revenue and income during his first term.

Trump reported making more than $1.6 billion while president - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Donald Trump reported making more than $1.6 billion in outside revenue and income during his four years as President of the United States.

www.citizensforethics.org

But, he was so generous in not taking that 400k in salary.

 

[AlRums]

Keir is going to sell Scotland to get access to our markets.

Only because that's the only part of the UK that has strumpet property

 

[dirty harry]

You fell for that one did you? All through that presidency (and this on) strumpet lined his pockets straight from the government and foreign leaders.

All meetings and events held at his properties, charging the govt hotel rates for his staff and security, requiring military flying to Europe to overnight at Glasgow and mandate they stayed at his golf club.

The Secret Service spent nearly $2 million at Trump properties - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Trump's presidential grifting had a real cost to taxpayers: nearly $2 million to protect the Trumps at their own properties.

www.citizensforethics.org

Making sure anyone who came to see him used his hotels in Washington to ensure they got to see him.

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/14/1136682162/foreign-officials-750-000-dollars-trump-hotel-dc

He's even still milking, it's estimated that in 10 weeks he's cost the govt $26 million

Taxpayers' Tab For Trump's Second-Term Golf Excursions Crosses $26 Million Mark

He has now traveled to one of his golf resorts on nine of the ten weekends since taking office in January. It is his seventh trip to his Palm Beach, Florida, country club.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

And that's at 2017 costs.

This last weekend he has been coining it in at his clubs

Trump Family’s Cash Registers Ring as Financial Meltdown Plays Out

The party was on at a Saudi-backed LIV Golf tournament at the president’s Doral resort in Florida and a fund-raiser at Mar-a-Lago, even as markets tumbled.

www.nytimes.com

That probably doesn't include what LIV paid him to stage the events

All in all he does very nicely, he actually reported some $1.6 billion in revenue and income during his first term.

Trump reported making more than $1.6 billion while president - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Donald Trump reported making more than $1.6 billion in outside revenue and income during his four years as President of the United States.

www.citizensforethics.org

But, he was so generous in not taking that 400k in salary.

Amazing to think, all this milking got him kicked off the Forbes list for losing ground. Imagine the losses he would have suffered if he hadn't done this, geez he's a saint!

 

[dirty harry]

You fell for that one did you? All through that presidency (and this on) strumpet lined his pockets straight from the government and foreign leaders.

All meetings and events held at his properties, charging the govt hotel rates for his staff and security, requiring military flying to Europe to overnight at Glasgow and mandate they stayed at his golf club.

The Secret Service spent nearly $2 million at Trump properties - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Trump's presidential grifting had a real cost to taxpayers: nearly $2 million to protect the Trumps at their own properties.

www.citizensforethics.org

Making sure anyone who came to see him used his hotels in Washington to ensure they got to see him.

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/14/1136682162/foreign-officials-750-000-dollars-trump-hotel-dc

He's even still milking, it's estimated that in 10 weeks he's cost the govt $26 million

Taxpayers' Tab For Trump's Second-Term Golf Excursions Crosses $26 Million Mark

He has now traveled to one of his golf resorts on nine of the ten weekends since taking office in January. It is his seventh trip to his Palm Beach, Florida, country club.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk

And that's at 2017 costs.

This last weekend he has been coining it in at his clubs

Trump Family’s Cash Registers Ring as Financial Meltdown Plays Out

The party was on at a Saudi-backed LIV Golf tournament at the president’s Doral resort in Florida and a fund-raiser at Mar-a-Lago, even as markets tumbled.

www.nytimes.com

That probably doesn't include what LIV paid him to stage the events

All in all he does very nicely, he actually reported some $1.6 billion in revenue and income during his first term.

Trump reported making more than $1.6 billion while president - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

Donald Trump reported making more than $1.6 billion in outside revenue and income during his four years as President of the United States.

www.citizensforethics.org

But, he was so generous in not taking that 400k in salary.

Did you just use citizens for ethics as a source lol?

Brock has been described by Time magazine as "one of the most influential political operatives in the Democratic party."

Hahahaha

Even that article talks about 1.6b revenue, but Trump losing money hand over foot, you know what revenue is don't you?

And here I am again, finding myself having to defend Trump from mistruths and lies, why can we not just have an honest discussion.

Trump claims to be a genius, politico makes that argument also, but I can't get on board with that, the same way I can't get on board with him being a moron. But either way this is just dragging into the weeds, the crux of the issue is him having a strategy on tarriffs, and ultimately even you guys must admit he has to have, it's literally written down in his advisors writings over the last few years

 

[AlRums]

Did you just use citizens for ethics as a source lol?

Brock has been described by Time magazine as "one of the most influential political operatives in the Democratic party."

Hahahaha

Even that article talks about 1.6b revenue, but Trump losing money hand over foot, you know what revenue is don't you?

And here I am again, finding myself having to defend Trump from mistruths and lies, why can we not just have an honest discussion.

Trump claims to be a genius, politico makes that argument also, but I can't get on board with that, the same way I can't get on board with him being a moron. But either way this is just dragging into the weeds, the crux of the issue is him having a strategy on tarriffs, and ultimately even you guys must admit he has to have, it's literally written down in his advisors writings over the last few years

Brook left crew before strumpet became president

 

[Welsh Exile]

I Don't buy he's a moron.

He signs executive orders with a ******* felt tip pen like a 4 year old. He's thick as **** mate.

 

[The Seeker]

He's in Dick-tator mode again.

Trump planning military parade through DC for 79th birthday

The Trump administration is planning a June 14 military parade through the streets of Washington, D.C., to mark the president’s 79th birthday. It will also mark the Army’s 250th anniversary. A senior administration official confirmed the plans to NewsNation, The Hill’s sister network. Washington...

www.yahoo.com

 

[AlRums]

He's in Dick-tator mode again.

Trump planning military parade through DC for 79th birthday

The Trump administration is planning a June 14 military parade through the streets of Washington, D.C., to mark the president’s 79th birthday. It will also mark the Army’s 250th anniversary. A senior administration official confirmed the plans to NewsNation, The Hill’s sister network. Washington...

www.yahoo.com

Actually you have to be fair on this one. It is the US army's 250th anniversary and it does happen to be the same day as strumpet's birthday. Even he can't fiddle that one.

 

[The Seeker]

Actually you have to be fair on this one. It is the US army's 250th anniversary and it does happen to be the same day as strumpet's birthday. Even he can't fiddle that one.

I am being fair, he's putting his birthday before's the Army's even though the Army is much older than Orange Man Bad. Everything's always about him.
I guarantee you Trump will talk more about himself than he will the Army. A lot more!

 

[General Melchett]

Well you've taken stock out the housing market driving up prices for your own wealth gain trapping people into the rental system rather than them being able to build affordable deposits for thier own property whilst they pay off someone elses mortgage. Which explains half your nonsense from you yesterday (if true I don't believe any crap you say).

You are right though which why taxes based on assets works those with tons of assets get taxed massively and those without them get taxed relatively small. And the whole point is to discourage to accumulation of said assests.

I know you were just joking so this isn't aimed at you but I have never liked the term greedy landlords which Labour used a lot when in opposition. My mate tried to sell his flat so he could upsize to a bigger place to have more room for him and his son whose mother passed away a couple of years ago. Market conditions at the time meant he would have take a big loss on his flat and so he decided to rent it out in the hope that the market would pick up before the second property stamp duty window ended. He along with many other landlords have been responsible and understood their role as landlord to provide fit for purpose housing while respecting tenants rights. Yes there are many greedy rogue landlords but it should also be acknowledged that there are also many good ones who try to do right by their tenants (I have experienced both).

 

[McTallshort]

Keir is going to sell Scotland to get access to our markets.

China has come in with a bigger bid....