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A Political Thread pt. 2

Quick update on the locals, 75 councils declared (so we're over half-way in England)
Labour +34 seats (2.9% increase)
Conservative -122 seats (18.4% drop)
Lib Dem +59 seats (29.5% increase)
Green +23 seats (143.8% increase)
 
Based on these results I wonder if Conservatives are a bit more optimistic about a GE.

Left wing vote is being split more and more, where as they still have the monopoly on the right wing vote. FPTP could still see them dominate despite loss of support.
 
Also I bet the turn out at these local elections is really low. Be surprised if 30% of eligible voters turned out to vote and that is being optimistic. 🤔
 
Quick update on the locals, 75 councils declared (so we're over half-way in England)
Labour +34 seats (2.9% increase)
Conservative -122 seats (18.4% drop)
Lib Dem +59 seats (29.5% increase)
Green +23 seats (143.8% increase)
Half of English councils and all of Scotland and Wales to come in. Anyone making concrete assertions are talking out their arse. Only thing certain is London is a disaster for Tories.

Early indications is the North might be back to pre-2019 levels for Labour which is not amazing but also not terrible.
Based on these results I wonder if Conservatives are a bit more optimistic about a GE.

Left wing vote is being split more and more, where as they still have the monopoly on the right wing vote. FPTP could still see them dominate despite loss of support.
Again a full picture is very hard to tell Labour had way more to loose than gain but gut feel is were at 'May' level of support at her lowest in local elections. Which is why were seeing not many gains for Lab as these seats were contested at that point.

Thats my take I could be and probably am wrong.
 
If Libs and Lab can agree not to compete against each other in Tory strongholds and marginal seats for the general election and can agree on some sort of collation they would win
 
If Libs and Lab can agree not to compete against each other in Tory strongholds and marginal seats for the general election and can agree on some sort of collation they would win
Pretty much they've kind of done that informally this time around and will likely do it again. Labour under Miliband and even more Corbyn really had a 'duck you we'll fight everywhere mentality' which was never helpful. LDs last election made blindingly stupid tactical plans on where attack as well.

I also think we can return some more Green MPs but I'm unsure where that fertile ground is and I don't think they do either.
 
I also think we can return some more Green MPs but I'm unsure where that fertile ground is and I don't think they do either.
Bristol is the big one for them, isn't it?
Which doesn't really help
 
Bristol is the big one for them, isn't it?
Which doesn't really help
Its more I'd like to see more Green MPs but I agree can't see where they are taking seats from the Tories.

For the LD's its about reclaiming those 'rural' seats where Labour just don't have a real presence from the lack historic requirements for unions.
 
Problem is there is a different mindset between a local election and a general election. More people vote for who they want in a local election, where as in a general election more people vote for who they think will beat the party they don't want. Generally this means Greens lose as they aren't seen as the party to beat Labour or Conservatives.
 
Problem is there is a different mindset between a local election and a general election. More people vote for who they want in a local election, where as in a general election more people vote for who they think will beat the party they don't want. Generally this means Greens lose as they aren't seen as the party to beat Labour or Conservatives.
Its an inherent issue of FPTP the smaller the sample of voter the more prone it it is 'random' upsets so you can vote with heart and actually have a chance of getting what you want which is far less likely to happen in a GE.
 
Its an inherent issue of FPTP
And this is the first thing we need to fix about British Politics.
Maybe second, after law-breaking by the government.

Does sun up the media a bit doesn't it.

All talk is Labour doing poorly.
Beeb had a good bit about how we're forgetting to compare apples to apples, and are comparing to the 2019 GE, rather than the 2018 LEs - given the collapse of the "red wall" came in 2019, so labour treading water means they "ought" (as far as that goes) to rebuild the red wall.
Of course, they then go on to completely ignore that piece, and keep talking about Labour losing, whilst gaining seats from 2018, let alone 2019.
 
I think is thing like Sunderland Hold (lost 1 councillor to LD), Gateshead Hold (no change, were they really gonna win the other 10 seats up which are LD not Tory?).

So much of what coming out is a case holding previous bastions that got demolished but these seats were pre-demolish so they don't actually have anything to gain. Its kinda lines up when I looked it up yesterday with only 1500 Tory seats up for grabs and most councils already Labour it was really hard to see where real gains would be.

Also looking at the last decade Labours net councillors is +1360
Milliband +2,092
Corbyn -405
Starmer -327 (just last years results)

Just from reference you have to back to 2004/5 to get to the number that they are at now and the losses they took post Blair 1997 landslide. Local elections post Blair (even Brown gain loads in 2010) have actually been fairly okay for them and Millibands results meant they were probably at about at a fair ceiling, it why even at height of popularity Corbyn barely got any gains because Milliband had already won them back.
 
I know they bring in Curtice for this stuff but I wish it was more prominent in the general discourse. Usually one of the few people trying to spin the result and just interested in the raw analysis using historical data and what's actually going on.

Still thats pretty bad for the Tories when you put it terms like loosing 1 in 5 seats.
 
Quick update on the locals, 75 councils declared (so we're over half-way in England)
Labour +34 seats (2.9% increase)
Conservative -122 seats (18.4% drop)
Lib Dem +59 seats (29.5% increase)
Green +23 seats (143.8% increase)
Update after 85 councils declared

Lab +36 (⬆️2.9%)
Con -139 (⬇️19.3%)
LDs +66 (⬆️30.0%)
Grn +24 (⬆️109.1%)
 

So they are going investigate again and find exactly what they did last time?
What new evidence has actually come to light that disputes Starmer's version of events that were within the rules at the time?

Feels like they've caved to media pressure unlike Johnson where Met basically had to cave after Sue Grey uncovered '**** tons' of evidence.
 
102 / 200 councils in

Lab +51 (3.6%)
Con -192 (20.5%)
LDs +84 (30.8%)
Grn +36 (120.0%)
SNP +8 (5.2%)
 

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