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A Political Thread pt. 2

For me I couldn't care less. Nothing more than two rich, famous people fighting over their reputations and making a public trial out if their divorce while greedy lawyers laugh behind their backs.

I felt the same about the Harry and Megan saga. I have nothing against Royals (apart from the perv) but felt that the whole thing was being forced down people's throats via mainstream news. Have a Royal family channel on Sky or online so people interested in that stuff can tune in.
 

Anyway what would people consider a disappointing day for Labour?
Impossible to tell I think its really hard to get a good picture from local election in terms of actual popular vote some Tories were saying they might loose 800 seats but Blair who never and an general elerction took his heaviest hits just before before he went on and won another GE. 2007 was a loss of 665. Brown actually gained council seats as he lost a genera election. Milliband did a great job hoovering up seats his first two times out against the LDs then started loosing. Corbyn was **** he once lost 380 seats and every other time he gained barely any or lost barely any...

I think the real question is how many seats do the Tories loose and needs to be 300+ to really be significant.

But thats finer in air stuff expect both sides to claim 'victory'
 
Oh and Corbynites to claim 'victory' by Labour doing poorly even if they won a billion seats ;)
 
So I'm not an economist, in fact I think economics is the art of making the simple complicated. However, I'm wondering if we are finally starting to see the major issue with the concept of a continually growing free market economy where profits are put first above everything else. Cost of living is going up across the world and a large part is so that businesses continue to make profits. You pay more for your goods, so you raise the price for the consumer. On top we've seen prices across a range of areas continually outstrip wages and the wealth/poor gap grow more and more as more wealth is hoarded by the few. With less money to spend, it also contributes to a company's loss on profits. This is all further exacerbated by investors dumping shares at the first sign of trouble, which has led recently to some companies going under as it just starts a spiral of decline. In addition we are continuing to increase the global population so demand is continuing to grow and we are realising that our resources aren't infinite. Overall, we have less resources, more demand, increased costs, less wealth with the majority and an economic system that isn't designed to cope when a profit can't be made.

I've personally believe that sustainability needs to become the focus of economics, not profit and have done for a while, but as I said, I am wondering if our current model isn't reaching its limits.
 
So I'm not an economist, in fact I think economics is the art of making the simple complicated. However, I'm wondering if we are finally starting to see the major issue with the concept of a continually growing free market economy where profits are put first above everything else. Cost of living is going up across the world and a large part is so that businesses continue to make profits. You pay more for your goods, so you raise the price for the consumer. On top we've seen prices across a range of areas continually outstrip wages and the wealth/poor gap grow more and more as more wealth is hoarded by the few. With less money to spend, it also contributes to a company's loss on profits. This is all further exacerbated by investors dumping shares at the first sign of trouble, which has led recently to some companies going under as it just starts a spiral of decline. In addition we are continuing to increase the global population so demand is continuing to grow and we are realising that our resources aren't infinite. Overall, we have less resources, more demand, increased costs, less wealth with the majority and an economic system that isn't designed to cope when a profit can't be made.

I've personally believe that sustainability needs to become the focus of economics, not profit and have done for a while, but as I said, I am wondering if our current model isn't reaching its limits.
Whilst I agree in principal, this has been said numerous times throughout history only for the economy to recover.
 
The issue ultimately is short terms gains over long terms gains. If businesses continually focus more on quarterly reports than 5 term plans they become more subservient to the shareholders/owners and generating nice numbers for them than worrying about the effect on their employees and society as a whole. It doesn't help most those placed in management roles are always looking to their next role so want short term gains so they can prove themselves for the next rung ASAP.

It'll improve eventually and naturally but at the moment its reliant on governments to step in and deal with companies causing inflation to go up whilst their profits also sky rocket.
 
So I'm not an economist, in fact I think economics is the art of making the simple complicated. However, I'm wondering if we are finally starting to see the major issue with the concept of a continually growing free market economy where profits are put first above everything else. Cost of living is going up across the world and a large part is so that businesses continue to make profits. You pay more for your goods, so you raise the price for the consumer. On top we've seen prices across a range of areas continually outstrip wages and the wealth/poor gap grow more and more as more wealth is hoarded by the few. With less money to spend, it also contributes to a company's loss on profits. This is all further exacerbated by investors dumping shares at the first sign of trouble, which has led recently to some companies going under as it just starts a spiral of decline. In addition we are continuing to increase the global population so demand is continuing to grow and we are realising that our resources aren't infinite. Overall, we have less resources, more demand, increased costs, less wealth with the majority and an economic system that isn't designed to cope when a profit can't be made.

I've personally believe that sustainability needs to become the focus of economics, not profit and have done for a while, but as I said, I am wondering if our current model isn't reaching its limits.
I had a professor once say that scarcity was a construct. Which I mean okay lol.

My uncle (a former professor) suggested I read a book called Green New Deal and it was along your line of thinking. We just can't grow forever and at some point we are going out how to make what we have last.

It's important to note that economics has continuously changed and is the furthest thing from a hard science. Hopefully we have another revolution in Econ academia in the near future.
Whilst I agree in principal, this has been said numerous times throughout history only for the economy to recover.
Because humans change their behavior due to their circumstances.
 
Even my 300 number might be woefully out of touch to realistic expectations on current polling, tis why don't read too much into tomorrow other than loosing seats bad, gaining seats good.

 
Also worth factoring in,

"The Tories hold around 1500 seats up for election on Thurs. Labour 3500."
 


Admittedly this may be showing only a specific segment of Russian TV but, considering the government have been similarly casual with nuclear threats, it does seem to indicate there is something very wrong and very sick in that country. Even at the height of the cold war, this nihilistic shoulder shrugging at the concept of global annihilation was not promoted. The readiness, even joy that Russian media is promoting nuclear conflict to satisate Putins ego is staggering. Is life really so cheap in Russia now?
 
So I'm not an economist, in fact I think economics is the art of making the simple complicated. However, I'm wondering if we are finally starting to see the major issue with the concept of a continually growing free market economy where profits are put first above everything else. Cost of living is going up across the world and a large part is so that businesses continue to make profits. You pay more for your goods, so you raise the price for the consumer. On top we've seen prices across a range of areas continually outstrip wages and the wealth/poor gap grow more and more as more wealth is hoarded by the few. With less money to spend, it also contributes to a company's loss on profits. This is all further exacerbated by investors dumping shares at the first sign of trouble, which has led recently to some companies going under as it just starts a spiral of decline. In addition we are continuing to increase the global population so demand is continuing to grow and we are realising that our resources aren't infinite. Overall, we have less resources, more demand, increased costs, less wealth with the majority and an economic system that isn't designed to cope when a profit can't be made.

I've personally believe that sustainability needs to become the focus of economics, not profit and have done for a while, but as I said, I am wondering if our current model isn't reaching its limits.

I'm no economist either but I did read a bit about hyperinflation which is where we could be heading unless Governments take action to address spiralling inflation i.e. raising interest rates which carries the risk of an economic recession/depression. We've had extremely low interest rates for many years and so perhaps we are now paying the price for all the cheap printed money (from QE) that is sloshing around the system that was basically just a sticking plaster for previous economic crises.
 
What was it George Carlin said?
Republicans want alive babies so they can turn them into dead soldiers
 

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