[2013 TRC] New Zealand vs. Australia in Wellington (24/08/2013)

[lynam1104]

Mogg has to go

 

[Jaguares]

Jesse Mogg sucks

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

He knows it too, you can see it in his eyes. Poor guy.

 

[Jaguares]

Who is the man of the match? Aaron Smith perhaps? Luatua?

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

Well taken intercept, Folau. Schooled Dagg.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

Who is the man of the match? Aaron Smith perhaps? Luatua?

Smith has been very good for me. So too Luatua. Tough call. Probably Smith.

 

[Tony Manx]

I'd love to see the wallabies get this one back..................if only to shut the Kiwi commentators up!! The AB's have been a little above average but far from their best but done enough to win particularly in defence. Man of the match is Aaron Smith for me...........

Incidentally, I did not remember that the AB's kicked th ball away so much when they were beaten last year but the commentator seems to recollect just that when commenting on the Aussies kicking possession away at 24-9 down and said "reminds me of Twickenham"!!

 

[Jaguares]

Amazing sidestep by Folau, Dagg was humiliated

 

[TRF_heineken]

Who is the man of the match? Aaron Smith perhaps? Luatua?

For New Zealand? Jesse Mogg...

Lol, my bet would be on Aaron, although, I wouldn't mind if they pick Tony Woodcock. He has schooled the aussie pack at scrum time.

 

[Jaguares]

Great tackle by Conrad Smith to Folau

 

[Larksea]

wow very composed set of play by luatua, massive whole in the wallabies defense the line break was inevitable but what he did at the breakdown was basically perfect.

ben f'n smith......

is it even worth comparing to halfpenny anymore? 1 clean break and two trys, 5th try in two tests. tell me he's not going to be nominated for player of the year? Is he going to get 3 again?

Tom Taylor looks very comfortable and composed, what else would you expect he's just that type of player. Slick passing and support game.

 

[smartcooky]

Why, Nonu?

He was terrible tonight, so many wrong options, I lost count

Kicked when he shouldn't have and didn't when he should have.
Ran when he should have passed, and passed when he should have run.
And then he threw an intercept pass that you could have read in the evening newspaper.

I think he has become a liability, and will probably have a date with the judiciary for his head high shoulder charge on Ben Slipper.

As for the game, well the Wallabies might be closer on the scoreboard, but again, they were very much flattered by the margin. No way were they as close as 11 points in the way they played. So far in this series they have managed three tries, one an individual piece of brilliance (Genia), one in the last seconds of the game when the All Blacks were down to 14 men (Bieber), and one was handed to them on a plate by Nonu (Folau). Their kicking game is s.h.i.t.e, they seem devoid of ideas, they appear to have forgotten how to counter-attack, and now their line-out is developing problems.

One thing remains the same though... they still get their arses handed to them at scrum time.

In short, they are becoming the "Woeful Wobblies"

 

[Jaguares]

Jesse Mogg is the worst fullback I saw in my life, he can't stop someone, he doesn't understand the game. Supposedly the best of him are his kicks but even he couldn't kick the ball out of field. Wallabies played a good game, my respect for the team. They deserved more but you can't get a win with one player less.

Last week he couldn't stop Conrad Smith in man against man. He has been the worst Aussie player of the series.

Sorry for players like Hooper, Genia or Folau who did well. Today I saw a better Wallabies team but they played with fourteen players.

Cheers

 

[Epaka]

NZ deserved to win. As an Aussie, its frustrating to lose again to a better team but what is more frustrating is how relentlessly unsporting New Zealanders are. The constant booing of Quade Cooper does nothing but present New Zealanders to the world as an ungracious and unsporting people. Quade clearly did something wrong but youve made your point now. Please get over it and move on. No doubt I'll get some comments about underarm bowling but again, please just move on. These were one off Australian mistakes. Do you people really need to pick up those things rub them in our faces over and over and over. Really, at some point shouldn't NZ as a country grow up? My second point is the unsporting spoiling tactics at breakdown whenever Aust were on attack in NZ 22. IT's just disgusting. Deliberately giving away penalties is just not in spirit of the game. Surely of all countries, NZ should understand the right spirit of the game. I am not a sore loser. ABs deserved to win but please NZ wake up and win with grace.

 

[austingtir]

Jesse Mogg is the worst fullback I saw in my life, he can't stop someone, he doesn't understand the game. Supposedly the best of him are his kicks but even he couldn't kick the ball out of field. Wallabies played a good game, my respect for the team. They deserved more but you can't get a win with one player less.

Last week he couldn't stop Conrad Smith in man against man. He has been the worst Aussie player of the series.

Sorry for players like Hooper, Genia or Folau who did well. Today I saw a better Wallabies team but they played with fourteen players.

Cheers

Robie deans must be laughing his ass off. They were total fools not to give the job to Jake White imo. He is clearly one of the most astute rugby coaches in the world.

Mogg has been dire. Why they arent playing JOC at fullback atleast is beyond me. Personally i still think deans was on the right track with developing JOC at 10 as that team lacks any real direction atm anyway.

 

[nickdnz]

My thoughts:

Firstly I have to give Tom Taylor credit - I've never seen him run a backline so well. Makes me hate Todd Blackadder more. He was very composed and equally importantly he just took the right options and did it with precision. Still my 4th choice but as far as debuts go he far exceeded my expectations.

Stephen Luatua is a boss. Made lots of tackles, ran very hard at the line and showed some very good speed. Good work at the breakdown. I'm sufficiently happy he's preferable to Messam (although I think Larksea may disagree).

Nonu was woeful - agree entirely with smartcookie. I counted a late headhigh tackle and no sholders, seral poor kicks, took it himself several times when there were clear overlaps. I'd be bringing Francis Saili in now to be honest and I'm a fan of Nonu. He was just shambolic and more annoyingly, stupid. When he was breaking the line at will those things could be forgiven, but I haven't seen him make a linebreak this year.

Ben Smith, very nice. Once again his tries weren't particularly impressive, but what impressed me the most was the lines he ran. Missed a few tackles though, one of which was on O'Conner which lead to his break. But all in all another very nice game.

Aaron Smith was again very good, especially when he was getting terrible ball security in some of the rucks. Kerr-Barlow came on and there was a very noticable drop. I'd like to see Peranara get a shot soon, hopefully next game.

Gotta feel for Mogg - he has had two very impressive years of Super Rugby - but these last two tests have not been good at all. What's worse is that Cooper comes on (the guy who blasted Deans for implementing a too safe policy when "I'm an attacking fly half" - who then does nothing but kick) along with Mogg. At some point you have to think people will realize Dagg just has the biggest and most accurate punt around, so kicking to him is just not going to help.

NZ deserved to win. As an Aussie, its frustrating to lose again to a better team but what is more frustrating is how relentlessly unsporting New Zealanders are. The constant booing of Quade Cooper does nothing but present New Zealanders to the world as an ungracious and unsporting people. Quade clearly did something wrong but youve made your point now. Please get over it and move on. No doubt I'll get some comments about underarm bowling but again, please just move on. These were one off Australian mistakes. Do you people really need to pick up those things rub them in our faces over and over and over. Really, at some point shouldn't NZ as a country grow up? My second point is the unsporting spoiling tactics at breakdown whenever Aust were on attack in NZ 22. IT's just disgusting. Deliberately giving away penalties is just not in spirit of the game. Surely of all countries, NZ should understand the right spirit of the game. I am not a sore loser. ABs deserved to win but please NZ wake up and win with grace.

1. Well I agree the booing of Cooper (or anyone) is lame. I hate it and a lot of people in NZ are pretty sick of it. That said - Cooper is a knob and if there is a guy who really earned it, it was him. But yeah, the booing sucks.

2. Your second point is irrelevant. The number of times Australia were off their feet at the breakdown, particularly in the first half was amazing. I also loved Scott Fardy standing up at the breakdown on our five metre line - turning his back offside to try and create gaps for his players, and then we get penalised. Australia were giving away more penalties in the game - so surely they are the ones cheating and taking liberties? I'm sorry but you do come off as a sore loser.

 

[lynam1104]

NZ deserved to win. As an Aussie, its frustrating to lose again to a better team but what is more frustrating is how relentlessly unsporting New Zealanders are. The constant booing of Quade Cooper does nothing but present New Zealanders to the world as an ungracious and unsporting people. Quade clearly did something wrong but youve made your point now. Please get over it and move on. No doubt I'll get some comments about underarm bowling but again, please just move on. These were one off Australian mistakes. Do you people really need to pick up those things rub them in our faces over and over and over. Really, at some point shouldn't NZ as a country grow up? My second point is the unsporting spoiling tactics at breakdown whenever Aust were on attack in NZ 22. IT's just disgusting. Deliberately giving away penalties is just not in spirit of the game. Surely of all countries, NZ should understand the right spirit of the game. I am not a sore loser. ABs deserved to win but please NZ wake up and win with grace.

I actually mostly agree with you however I think your being a little harsh saying that the nation needs to grow up. I agree with you on both those points about unsporting-ness the penalties were always conceded in their own 22 purposefully they should have had at least one yellow for that. The only way that NZ crowds will stop booing Cooper is if McCaw comes out against it as he is the one who instigated (long term) in the first place.

 

[TRF Mr Fish]

McCaw has come out against it.

Maybe if Copper actually apologised people would be more inclined to stop booing. He was never officially punished, he's never admitted doing any wrong. He deserves everything be gets.

 

[Tony Manx]

McCaw has come out against it.

Maybe if Copper actually apologised people would be more inclined to stop booing. He was never officially punished, he's never admitted doing any wrong. He deserves everything be gets.

Deserve it or not....it also happened big time last week and there were quite a few Aussies there I understand.....I think it shows the mentality of the spectators who do it. It is a minority, of course, but those who boo must surely be just waiting for him to get the ball so they can "participate" in the game and must, therefore, miss quite a lot of what goes on in the game that they went to watch and enjoy!

It is symptomatic of the way the game is moving from attracting the true rugby supporter to those looking for ent-er-tain-ment (bit like golf and the pro Woods red necks and their get "in the hole" shout) with the ceaseless need to play awful musique at every opportunity to the deplorable Mexican wave (happily missing tonight from what I saw), to even wanting to do away with the scrum etc. to make the game faster and freer and, by consequence, "more entertaining"!

There is a long list of people who have done bad things on and off the rugby pitch who carried/carry on playing but do not get booed.....

I agree he is a knob but the time is nigh when hopefully those spectators who do it finally grow up and appreciate the game for what it is and not what some player did some time ago....in my humble opinion, the only time it may possibly be warranted is for a few minutes after a player does something blatantly and physically wrong to another player and fails to be punished!

Here endeth the lesson.............

 

[Epaka]

AAaaaaaaghhhh. You really think he needs to apologise now after all this time?? Unbelievable! Get some perspective. Have you ever heard of the word overkill? Why couldnt the NZ crowd and public let him know they didnt like it for a week or two and then just drop it.

Now, the only people who are looking like knobs over this are Kiwi crowds. Just embarrassing themselves and giving the world the impression they are narrow minded unforgiving red necks.