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Wales vs England - 16/03/2013

Think we Welsh need to show some humility.Yes we should savour a magnificent performance against our biggest rivals but from the late 80s until the early 2000s we suffered similar and bigger hidings.I know how I felt then so I have sympathy for the England fans on here.
 
Think we Welsh need to show some humility.Yes we should savour a magnificent performance against our biggest rivals but from the late 80s until the early 2000s we suffered similar and bigger hidings.I know how I felt then so I have sympathy for the England fans on here.

Absolutely. I know full well what it is like to suffer heartbreaking defeats as a Welsh fan. So many games have ended in tears for us - vs. Fiji (2007), vs. France (2011), vs. Italy (2007) etc. I guess it just feels great as a Welsh fan that the team we invest all our emotions in is finally having some sustained success again!

But I'm still not getting carried away with it all. Wales still have a lot to prove, especially against the SH teams. I just can't wait for the team to face a SH opponent again!
 
He is right to seek clarification. He is not right to make it public.
 
Just wait for people all across the rugby world to say how sore we are as losers because of this, and that we are blaming the ref. In spite of the coaching team's comments directly after the match.
 
Oh dear. Maybe you need reminding of the fact that Wales have beaten England three times in a row now...yet have also backed up their wins with Grandslams and Championships. Just accept it and move on, England had a good championship but Wales are undeniably currently the better team and deserved the championship.

I've never claimed Wales weren't the better team, what I claim is that the attitude of Wales towards England has become very sour. If England beat Wales it's just like any other win, if Wales beat England some feel it is their duty to rub it in our faces consistantly. The thing about Wales is Wales won less games under Gatland than England did under Johnson. Wales can win at the right time but even during your best years, you haven't been consistant with just a 50% wins under Gatland. When Wales can consistantly win then they are world beaters.
 
WHy not ask for clarification? it puts Walsh under pressure to justify his decisions. DO not forget England/IRB has a lot more camera angles then we do. England would NEVER formally complain unless they found CLEAR evidence with Walsh's decisions. I think they have and its been reported. Expect IRB to present Walsh into a hearing.
 
Not trying to troll, be a sore winner etc.

But if this pic is correct and it was taken outside of the IRB designated time. If anything I was worried Walsh was going to favour England. What cost England on Saturday was the fact that Robshaw was constantly bickering with Walsh. Worse thing you can do is to get the wrong side of the referee.

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Robshaw was NOT bikering with walsh. He was just politely asking have a look at the game again. He has every right to ask for clarification. Robshaw is actually the most polite captains in the 6N IMO.

its no secret to people who seen walsh in the Australian press etc he is a bit of a twat off duty.
 
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Expect IRB to present Walsh into a hearing.

Yeah right!! Just by calling him in to a hearing, it is tantamount to saying that they have feelings that he could have been biased and that is the road to nowhere.

I, for one, would be totally against such a personal vilification of the a*** and believe it would further weaken the spirit of the game that is about respecting refs.

If there is a problem, just let him do inconsequential games and slowly drift off the panel.....with maybe one big match after which they can always then say "See we took no action"!!
 
Walsh will be presented the evidence England have compiled and asked to explain. And then the IRB will make a verdict after hearing Walsh's responses. Its always a farce these hearings as they always side with the refs UNLESS its a clear on footage presented there was some dodgy things going on. Thats why i said England must have concrete evidence to take this step and ask for IRB to investigate, otherwise there is little point as Walsh will just be more inclined to hate england next time LOLz:p and it be a public relations disaster by SL and his team!
 
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I am astonished that more has not being made of Ashton's inept performance. I think he has been vastly over rated, and Brown completely showed him up in the English team. I would say at the moment if you look at players playing in the back 3 for the Lions he would come around 11th! I think he should take the summer off.

I am trying not to let the fact I think he is a t!t cloud my judgement ;)
 
Robshaw was NOT bikering with walsh. He was just politely asking have a look at the game again. He has every right to ask for clarification. Robshaw is actually the most polite captains in the 6N IMO.
Agreed - if anything that's one of his biggest downfalls: He's not great at talking round a referee.
If we're on top, and they're getting penalised, then his politeness is great as the referee isn't going to have a problem with him, but when he's trying to convince the ref that we're not at fault...not so much.
 
This really shouldn't have been made public. Maybe Lancaster and Rowntree didn't go to the press themselves, but even if it were leaked by someone, they shouldn't have commented. Not as if Wales can talk though with some of the stuff Gatland has said in the past.

I'm not quite sure what they are complaining about. The Ken Owens incident was the main incident he got wrong, but these things happen unfortunately. It's unfortunate that it led directly to a try, if it hadn't it would have been passed by as just another one of those incidents that happens numerous times in a game.

When it comes to the scrum I honestly don't see what Walsh got wrong here. Youngs was being a bit of a fool throughout, bickering with Walsh, and got on the wrong side of him completely. In the incident where Walsh was asking him to move over, Youngs was completely at fault. You listen to what the ref tells you to do, not complain and do the opposite. Adam Jones had pointed out that the scrum wasn't lined up, and Walsh had asked England to move to where the mark was, as soon as they did, they quickly shuffled back across (a tactic used to try to apply more pressure to the tighthead), and Walsh spotted this. Hartley soon came on.

Before that, England were either pinged for simply collapsing when the pressure came on, standing up when the pressure came on, losing their binding, or delaying the put in. On a couple of occasions Youngs delayed the put-in, even though there was an opportunity to put it in. People who have complained about Wales pushing early have obviously glossed over the fact that every single team pushes before the ball is fed, the 'hit' encourages it in fact. On one occasion Moore tried to point out Adam Jones' binding on the arm, but soon said 'but at least there is a bind of some sorts', because Marler never tried to bind at all in the first place. Of course Marler is going to be penalised, because he was doing it 'more wrong' than Adam, and more obviously too.

In regards to the ruck offences (outside of Owens'), Walsh was pretty even. He was harsh on a couple of occasions to both sides. Nothing to complain about.
 
Olyy i think your on to something there Robshaw is too nice to refs he needs to be a little more questioning like Heaslip is.
 
Thanks to TonyManx and Smartcooky for this "Keep in mind that there are 31 people in the Playing Area of the rugby field; 30 players and one referee, and he's the only one not trying to cheat." - sums it up quite nicely.

And, speaking of things possibly best kept to themselves...

Wales are said to have admitted privately after the match that they collapsed the scrum on six occasions but it was England, unable to hold them up, who were penalised.

Read more: http://www.thisissouthwales.co.uk/G...tory-18471018-detail/story.html#ixzz2O5SRqNgH
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Not the only complaint I'd have, but can't see much point on going on about them - different when you've got something like that in print though.

I am astonished that more has not being made of Ashton's inept performance. I think he has been vastly over rated, and Brown completely showed him up in the English team. I would say at the moment if you look at players playing in the back 3 for the Lions he would come around 11th! I think he should take the summer off.

I am trying not to let the fact I think he is a t!t cloud my judgement ;)

I think we've got so jaded by his wankness we're forgetting to mention it... you're right though... atm he's not Chris Ashton, he's Crispy Gash.
 
When it comes to the scrum I honestly don't see what Walsh got wrong here.

you obviously didn't see jones not binding and Marler complaining and then he got penalised for something which was not clear on tv. This confused and made Marler annoyed as he did nothing wrong. The same happened with Gethin jenkins on cole. I don't have any problem with Wales -non whatsoever. But i do have a problem when the ref is not referring BOTH sides. Rowntree will probably use those examples of Walsh concentrating so hard on England he lost focus what Wales were doing. I actually applaud Wales in the dark art of scrummeging and doing things and not getting caught. Thats part of international rugby. Englands inexperienced front-row just didn't know how to play the ref and play the illegal tactics without being caught.
 
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you obviously didn't see jones not binding and Marler complaining and then he got penalised for something which was not clear on tv. This confused and made Marler annoyed as he did nothing wrong. The same happened with Gethin jenkins on cole. I don't have any problem with Wales -non whatsoever. But i do have a problem when the ref is not referring BOTH sides. Rowntree will probably use those examples of Walsh concentrating so hard on England he lost focus what Wales were doing. I actually applaud Wales in the dark art of scrummeging and doing things and not getting caught. Thats part of international rugby. Englands inexperienced front-row just didn't know how to play the ref and play the illegal tactics without being caught.

Don't think I saw Cole bind onto Jenkins once, which in return Jenkins didn't bind either. Gonna re watch the match again soon and pay close attention to the scrum. Seemed to me like neither front row wanted to play fair (same as every single front row these days), and as you said, Wales simply know how to do it better!

'' Wales are said to have admitted privately'' - Now that I call speculation, typical jounralists, and typical south Wales journalism. Irony being a member of my family works for them/walesonline...
 
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