Wales vs England - 16/03/2013

[Jbobo]

Maybe us English should remind the Welsh of the 62-5 Walloping we gave them back in 2007... Or maybe the 47 - 13 win in 2006, or the delightful 2003 era before our encounters.

Oh dear. Maybe you need reminding of the fact that Wales have beaten England three times in a row now...yet have also backed up their wins with Grandslams and Championships. Just accept it and move on, England had a good championship but Wales are undeniably currently the better team and deserved the championship.

 

[igorBastia]

Félicitation au Pays de Galle: Promess I will not eat a leek (i've learn a word) during all this year but not a "coq au vin" . CONGRETULATION FROM CORSICA!

 

[UlsterRugby2012]

Oh dear. Maybe you need reminding of the fact that Wales have beaten England three times in a row now...yet have also backed up their wins with Grandslams and Championships. Just accept it and move on, England had a good championship but Wales are undeniably currently the better team and deserved the championship.

Try 7 in 8 years then come back.

 

[Crapspray]

haha ouch - gotta love this...

It is clever, but it propagates the myth that the England side of that Era couldn't or didn't core tries. In 2001 they scored twenty-nine in the Six Nations, eight less than the entire 2013 tournament.

Which brings me on to: -

...Somehow, i just cannot see past that if we had mallet/white etc or -more experienced coach who would of realised early that to win major competitions you need to build/coach a more attacking game, and thats the key to making England a good side again. Gatland realised this and he built a power game and attacking game which eNGLAND can only dream about.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. England have attacked well in this tournament, the failings came in the final execution of plays. The cutting edge that was present against Scotland evaporated throughout the tournament, and the emphasis now should be returning to it (along with returning defensive line-speed to the levels seen against the All Blacks and Scotland). They still won four games and wilted in a grand-slam match against a side firing on all cylinders. They're not the first to have done so; nor will they be the last.

Stuart Lancaster made mistakes in selection toward the end of the tournament, but in the last twelve months he has cultivated a depth which England have lacked for years and has blooded a large number (19?) of players. With a summer tour which will likely see the debuts of several wingers and work done in the centers, along with Mike Catt being given full rein of the backs, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect England will continue their largely upwards trajectory under Lancaster. There's still around 30 months, and as many caps, until the World Cup.

 

[Jbobo]

Try 7 in 8 years then come back.

Yawn.


Edit:

In fairness you can't but admire stuff like this.

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Genuinely Impressive! Hines!

 

[j'nuh]

Oh dear. Maybe you need reminding of the fact that Wales have beaten England three times in a row now...yet have also backed up their wins with Grandslams and Championships. Just accept it and move on, England had a good championship but Wales are undeniably currently the better team and deserved the championship.

You're getting a little carried away with just one result.Wales still played poor (first-half vs. Ireland) or average for the first 4 games. I hope that Wales can demonstrate it wasn't a one-off, but it's too soon to be getting so carried away. Undeniably the better team? I wouldn't have said England were undeniably the better team than NZ/Aus in 2012/2010...

 

[Thingimubob]

Maybe us English should remind the Welsh of the 62-5 Walloping we gave them back in 2007... Or maybe the 47 - 13 win in 2006, or the delightful 2003 era before our encounters.

So you choose to bring up the completely unimportant 2007 World Cup warm up where close to Englands best available side took on a 3rd string Welsh side (back in the days when our 1st string was pretty crap under the idiot Gareth Jenkins) and the 2006 game where we had half a dozen of our best players out injured, and simply proved that our strength in depth past that 18 or so core of the 2005 squad was bloody awful. Not to mention the drama between the squad and Mike Ruddock / Scott Johnson that went on that year!

If you really wanted to soothe your disappointment why not look back to 2010? We went into that game as favourites and left fairly convincing losers (with a bit of help due to AW Jones being a complete ***), with the only bright spots being two great tries from Hook and Adam Jones! Or 2011 where we had to suffer Ashtons swallow dive not once, but twice!

djames3's question was completely fair, I'm struggling to think of a truly creative player outside of Twelvetrees, Brown, Care and maybe Croft or Flood at their best. reason we bring up '99 and that Gibbs try is that was a fairly tale try to win a fairy tale game - we were massive underdogs to a much better England side who we hadn't beaten in quite a while! And that Gibbs try was not expected whatsoever, how often do you see crash ball centres dancing their way through a defensive line?! Magical stuff. Tipurics run and Cuthberts finish may well be up there with that!

 

[Jbobo]

You're getting a little carried away with just one result.Wales still played poor (first-half vs. Ireland) or average for the first 4 games. I hope that Wales can demonstrate it wasn't a one-off, but it's too soon to be getting so carried away. Undeniably the better team? I wouldn't have said England were undeniably the better team than NZ/Aus in 2012/2010...

Yes, so if Wales and England both had an average six nations the is it not fair to say that since Wales dominated the final game that they were not the better team overall? So in what way exactly have I gotten 'carried away'? In my opinion other than the 1st half against Ireland we have improved throughout the championship and this has been demonstrated in our results, do you not think we deserved the championship?

Plus i must say it is a bit rich saying not to get carried away with one result considering the past 4 months of the 'world class' English team which so 'comprehensively beat the All Blacks'. Unlike some English posters have suggested, most people in Wales do not see beating England as the be all end all of rugby greatness. I have no problem stating that we are better than England, because there is nothing unrealistic about that, but i am not suggesting that we are world beaters. We are a long way off that at the moment, but i can only come to my own personal conclusions, and one of them is that we are currently better then England and have been for a few years. With performances like that against England we have shown once again that a good team does not become bad overnight, and that we can again look forward and basically move on from a disappointing second half of 2012. But i repeat, it does not mark a point at which Wales suddenly became world beaters.

 

[mstar]

typing on my android is sooo annoying i lose the will to live after typing more then 2 sentences.

 

[Ospreylian]

So you choose to bring up the completely unimportant 2007 World Cup warm up where close to Englands best available side took on a 3rd string Welsh side (back in the days when our 1st string was pretty crap under the idiot Gareth Jenkins) and the 2006 game where we had half a dozen of our best players out injured, and simply proved that our strength in depth past that 18 or so core of the 2005 squad was bloody awful. Not to mention the drama between the squad and Mike Ruddock / Scott Johnson that went on that year!

Completely agree here Thingimubob. That 2007 game involved an England team starting the likes of Jason Robinson, Wilkinson, Sheridan and Vickery (with Dallaglio, Moody, Stevens and Flood on the bench) against a Welsh side with the great Ceri Sweeney, Gareth Cooper, I Thomas, and Dafydd James (not to mention Chris Horsman at tighthead) - hardly a world-class Wales side. So I can understand how such a drubbing might have happened, especially in a friendly that really means nothing.

You're getting a little carried away with just one result.Wales still played poor (first-half vs. Ireland) or average for the first 4 games. I hope that Wales can demonstrate it wasn't a one-off, but it's too soon to be getting so carried away. Undeniably the better team? I wouldn't have said England were undeniably the better team than NZ/Aus in 2012/2010...

I wouldn't say Wales played poorly after the first half against Ireland. Yes they were pretty average in attack for much of the tournament, but I thought their defence (bar the first 40 minutes of the championship) was outstanding. No team after the Ireland match really looked like breaking the Welsh defense tbh. Obviously their defense will be tested more against the SH teams, but Edwards has really done a fantastic job. We've won 3 championships now under our defensive efforts, all with Shaun Edwards.

I'd say Wales were mostly average-to-good, overall. Nothing sublime or amazing enough for me to think we can regularly beat SH teams yet, but promising. And as for the England Australia game in 2010, I do actually think England were undeniably the better side in that match - completely outplayed them in every area, as was mostly the case from Wales in the game on saturday. I would say Wales were undeniably the better team on saturday, but as for the rest of the tournament things were more even.

 

[TVH11]

Ive tried to delay posting on here for everything to sink in and I feel things are beginning to settle for me. Crazy Crazy Crazy six nations!!!!

Post Ireland match I got extremely pessimistic and saw a continued run of losses and a wooden spoon. 4 games on I'm left with a hangover and wondering where that Championship came from.

I've always kept the faith in the team, and supported win and loss (I'm a 90's kid, so I know what its like to watch your team lose game after game). I have never seen a welsh team put in such a ruthless performance. A seriously professional 80 minutes from us.

I don't think the Lions will be flooded with Welsh players, although I do think the squad will be predominantly English and Welsh.

Despite the above I'm not one to get carried away with everything. We aren't going to win the world cup tomorrow, and I know that. Summer tour will be nice to develop our "fringe" and young players and allow them to gain experience in the international environment.

I hope to see some surprises when Lions team is announced in 6 weeks time

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

A la ragerancher: Maybe I should remind you Welsh of the time England beat Wales 47 - 5, on sidhe rugby challenge, very easy mode.**

**Even this didn't happen. I found myself completely incapable of scoring in that game.

 

[Thingimubob]

A la ragerancher: Maybe I should remind you Welsh of the time England beat Wales 47 - 5, on sidhe rugby challenge, very easy mode.**

**Even this didn't happen. I found myself completely incapable of scoring in that game.

Bit like th time I lost 24 - 22 to Uruguay. Persistent buggers those Uruguayans...

 

[TRF_Olyy]

 

[big ginger 8]

Fair play.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

What was being alleged of him, I really don't remember any of the controversial incidents that happened this weekend.

 

[SelimNiai]

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Well then, case closed and moving on.

 

[Ospreylian]

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Yep, as many of us suspected, it was just some people jumping to conclusions. I'm glad Halfpenny has publicly defended Croft, it's great sportsmanship. Wish we could see more of this in the game tbh.

 

[McTallshort]

Right..............3 days after the event (little one in hospital over night sunday) I must say Wales played a fantastic test match and it felt like boys against men in the last 10 minutes.

For England its still doesnt detract from the progress SL has made since the dark days of the WC and hopefully we can present a more constant challenge next year. Until then the Welsh should enjoy the bragging rights the so richly deserve.

 

[Rhondda Rudie]

Right..............3 days after the event (little one in hospital over night sunday) I must say Wales played a fantastic test match and it felt like boys against men in the last 10 minutes.

For England its still doesnt detract from the progress SL has made since the dark days of the WC and hopefully we can present a more constant challenge next year. Until then the Welsh should enjoy the bragging rights the so richly deserve.

First and most importantly,hope the little 'un is ok.

100% agree with the rest.