Wales vs England - 16/03/2013

[Rich Taff]

Because we are British and trial by media demands that he is guilty until proven innocent.

I hereby sentence him to spend 2 years in a room with a Welsh version of Jeremy Kyle.

Now THAT's harsh! (2 years of having to watch the Jeremy Kyle show would be bad enough, but involved? That's called cranial gouging!)

 

[psychic duck]

Why do players push opposition players heads into the pitch?
Seen it quite a few times.

Lamont did in the last match as well. Again to Halfpenny.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Lamont did in the last match as well. Again to Halfpenny.

There's nothing wrong with it really. It's a bit of gamesmanship, I think we're getting a bit too touchy if we start to give out about it.

 

[big ginger 8]

In fairness you can't but admire stuff like this.

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[SelimNiai]

In fairness you can't but admire stuff like this.

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Oh thats pure talent

 

[Peat]

Mate of mine started a massive ruck when he got up using someone's head for leverage last game, roided up arsehole and he and his brother just went absolutely mental. Game got called short.

Now THAT's harsh! (2 years of having to watch the Jeremy Kyle show would be bad enough, but involved? That's called cranial gouging!)

What can I say, I'm a hanging judge. Welcome to the forum btw.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

You probably wouldn't want to play against me Olyy. How could I possibly get up with out the support of someone's head?

Ah it's fine, I'd probably accidentally get you with a shoulder later on to even things up...not that this has ever happened...

 

[Rich Taff]

Mate of mine started a massive ruck when he got up using someone's head for leverage last game, roided up arsehole and he and his brother just went absolutely mental. Game got called short.



What can I say, I'm a hanging judge. Welcome to the forum btw.

Thanks. Been reading them for a while, thought I'd speak instead of lurking

 

[Ospreylian]

The whole Croft/Halfpenny incident really doesn't matter that much anymore anyway. There really isn't enough evidence to suggest he was spitting, looks to me like he was maybe just shouting something - either to Halfpenny or to his team mates behind him. However, I really don't like the whole head-pushing thing that's in the game. There's really no need for it - England had secured that ruck fair and square and pushing Halfpenny's head into the floor was Croft trying to milk a penalty out of it by making it look like Halfpenny wasn't rolling away.

But tbh, Halfpenny probably doesn't give a s*** about all that now because he got one up on Croft... by being in the tournament-winning team.... by 27 points......... to deny England the grand slam

(and getting 2 MOTM awards - and potentially player of the tournament - in the process!)

 

[ratsapprentice]

I don't wanna sound like a dick... but have you ever played the game?
I can't think of any other sport where gamesmanship of this kind is so deeply ingrained, it's a hugely important part of the game imo.

 

[djames6]

Question - was there a player in the English team, back or forward, who could have created Cuthbert's second try? The moment of the match, magic, just like Gibbs' try it will be shown again and again during the build up to Wales/England games.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Maybe us English should remind the Welsh of the 62-5 Walloping we gave them back in 2007... Or maybe the 47 - 13 win in 2006, or the delightful 2003 era before our encounters.

 

[easy2288]

In simple definition, England was over confident. The players and the coaching team. I saw a report from Planet rugby news mentioning Lancaster said " Wales have 650 caps, we have less than 300". So what how did the team with only 300 caps managed to beat ABs. They thought with the win and the 4 wins in competition, the final game will be walk in the park.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Maybe us English should remind the Welsh of the 62-5 Walloping we gave them back in 2007... Or maybe the 47 - 13 win in 2006, or the delightful 2003 era before our encounters.

Or maybe we should accept the result, learn from it and move on.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Or maybe we should accept the result, learn from it and move on.

It's in response to this:

Question - was there a player in the English team, back or forward, who could have created Cuthbert's second try? The moment of the match, magic, just like Gibbs' try it will be shown again and again during the build up to Wales/England games.

If Wales wish to keep digging up the times they beat us then maybe we should do the same and just remind them of the times we've humbled them?

 

[smb64]

In simple definition, England was over confident. The players and the coaching team. I saw a report from Planet rugby news mentioning Lancaster said " Wales have 650 caps, we have less than 300". So what how did the team with only 300 caps managed to beat ABs. They thought with the win and the 4 wins in competition, the final game will be walk in the park.

Sure they must of gone to Cardiff with a degree of confidence after winning 5 games on the bounce. But I don't think they were overconfident.

England lost because Wales were better in every area of the game - simple as that.

 

[Largejanner]

England haven't won a Grand Slam in 10 years. Try achieving some success in the 6 nations before you set your sights on the world cup. If the NH tournament is second rate, it's the likes of England are second rate. Wales are first rate.

Well, you are only as good as your last game and by that measure England are long way behind Wales, but thats not my point.
Winning a Six Nations is not and never has been a indicator of being truly world class or 'first rate' as you call it, if it was France would have won a world cup or two.
The last big test of Wales pretensions toward being world class was the tour of OZ last summer, you lost, albeit narrowly 3 zip!

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

haha ouch - gotta love this:

http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/107653310/england-rfu-trophy-cabinet-hardly-used.html

Back on topic, I really can't stand to hear any more about 'Lancasters England'. Fine, it seems to be a fairly healthy regime. But it's like the media thought that all we needed to do was go away, become less arrogant, be less outrageous off the field, and then we'd return to conquer like Attilla the Hun. Forgetting that you first need to be good on the field as well as off it. The coverage of Lancasters regime is in many ways undoing much of the good that comes from it, purely by the way it magnifies everybody's expectations.

 

[mstar]

I totally understand SL's philosphy of building for the world cup, but it must of rang alarm bells that to win major games you need try scording ability. ITs no good hanging on the new zealand win all your life in the 6N we only scored 1 try i believe.


I am 100% SL knows this and he will need to experiement in the argentina tour. I still think sheridan and easter should of been in the squad. If easter played in the italy/wales game we would of had a better back row balance with Wood, robshaw as 6 and 7. SHeridan would of made a difference too.
I wonder if SL regrets not calling Easter in the squad when it was clear billy vunipola isn't quite ready. Sheridan is causing havoc in france and for me he should of been called up.


Somehow, i just cannot see past that if we had mallet/white etc or -more experienced coach who would of realised early that to win major competitions you need to build/coach a more attacking game, and thats the key to making England a good side again. Gatland realised this and he built a power game and attacking game which eNGLAND can only dream about.


Maybe this was SL inexperience showing -not realising the vision how England must play to win major competitions (knock-out rugby in WC)?

 

[ratsapprentice]

Sorry mstar, it's not "should of" or "would of". It's "should've" or "would've".
Petulant, I know.