Tri Nations: Springboks - All Blacks @ Nelson Mandela Bay Stadium (20-8-2011, 15:05)

[Seaton]

Ooooh, apparently the TMO was not South African Shaun Veldsman, but a Nambian who's name I won't even try to spell, got a couple of Ms, Os and Ws.

Not that it changes anything though, but can I ask, is the TMO not often used by refs when they are unsure of a double movement in the act of scoring a try?

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

O Brien is just being a Di** Head!

I salute you Graham Henry!

He's just staying true to form (responding over-the-top to anything/person that dared go against NZ). Him and O'Neil from Aus are probably the two biggest douches in Rugby.

 

[Rugbybrain]

I think IRB just need to put a rule in place that the ref must ask the TMO, "Is there any reason why I should not award the try?" Which in this case the TMO could have said forward pass. It just simplify the matters. Just a matter of worry for me is the fact that the assistant referee was directly in line with them and didn't pick up the forward pass. On that level he should have picked it up easily.

 

[ranger]

He's just staying true to form (responding over-the-top to anything/person that dared go against NZ). Him and O'Neil from Aus are probably the two biggest douches in Rugby.

"English official Wayne Barnes has been defended by IRB referees' manager Paddy O'Brien amid fierce criticism of his performance in Saturday's World Cup quarter-final between France and New Zealand.

All Blacks fans were left infuriated by some of Barnes' decisions, which included the sin-binning of Kiwi centre Luke McAlister and his failure to spot at least one forward pass in the build-up to Yannick Jauzion's crucial second try for the French in their shock 20-18 win in Cardiff.

The International Rugby Board have not chosen Barnes for any of the remaining games in the tournament, and he is reported to have received death threats from disgruntled New Zealand fans in the wake of the match.
O'Brien, himself a Kiwi, said: "I think it's a disgrace and people have to grow up.
"New Zealand losing that game was not all about the forward pass. The pass was forward but that's rugby refereeing.
"I thought the referee actually had a decent game. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but you can't turn back the clock."
"He's a superb referee and we have a lot of confidence in him, that's why we gave him the quarter-final."

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

4 years ago; time to get over it.

Besides, if you care enought o go back 4 years, have a look at his track record since...

 

[ranger]

4 years ago; time to get over it.

Besides, if you care enought o go back 4 years, have a look at his track record since...

Are you serious right now mate?

You referred to his form of "responding over the top to ANYTHING that dared to go against NZ", so i provided some quotes from the guy showing that this isn't necessarily the case. The subject matter is completely irrelevent to this end, so why include the 4 years ago comment.

Honestly, this thread has seriously shaken my faith in the South African education system. When did they decide that logic and common sense should be put on the back burner? sad times..

 

[nickdnz]

Damn, that's why I hate it when the All Blacks play the Springboks.

Despite a vast majority of New Zealanders saying that the call was right but the process was incorrect, you get a crap load of South Africans of a certain ilk, whom get on their paranoid pedestal and fling as many allegations that they can think of. What's better is that after a good solid year of getting whooped by everyone, they win a game against a New Zealand team without their best prop, lock, openside, blindside, number 8, first five eighth, second five eighth, centre and fullback and start acting like they're gods gift to rugby, claiming that a 13 point win of nothing but penalties and a drop goal are what real test rugby is about, and that it is what will win a World Cup.

Is Paddy O'Brien bias? Well people whom make this claim are not only ignorant of what his job actually entails, but also lack an real evidence at all. Obviously one of the games was his defense over Wayne Barnes performance in the RWC QF. I can think of three games in which he has made any statement regarding referee decisions against the All Blacks. New Zealand v Italy in 2009 in which the game lost over twenty minutes in scrum resets, including the last 10 minutes in which a yellow card was given. From anyone whom watched that game will realize just how shocking Stewart Dickinson's performance was, despite the All Blacks winning. He has since looked terrible in every match I've seen him ref, so a small slap on the wrist and a public statement was considerably less than what I think should have been done.

This is the third time I've really heard him make any comment, and boy is this a real show of his colours. He has told a Namibian referee that his total disregard for what he is able to rule on, was not what has been discussed and decided upon by an IRB panel. *******. Fact is I've seen him make similar comments regarding he Wales v Ireland incident not so long ago with the throw in. Sometimes it's actually worth knowing what you are talking about before you run your mouth. This victim mentality is just likke nothing I've ever seen before from any other nation, even when you have won a game.

 

[kusta]

Flippen New Zeleanders are sore losers that's all I can conjure up from this thread,from the first few psts they've been mooaning about All Blacks playing most of the rugby and SA playing boring rugby and what not,now they moan about the TMO call,like God dammit we also got disallowed a Try against Aus the week before, you don't see us moaning and b*tchn about that,we got over it!

 

[nickdnz]

Flippen New Zeleanders are sore losers that's all I can conjure up from this thread,from the first few psts they've been mooaning about All Blacks playing most of the rugby and SA playing boring rugby and what not,now they moan about the TMO call,like God dammit we also got disallowed a Try against Aus the week before, you don't see us moaning and b*tchn about that,we got over it!

1. Part of that may be due to the fact that the rugby was very boring and has failed over the last 15 moths and is being hailed by many South Africans as the finest test rugby that will "inevitably" beat the All Blacks in a World Cup.
2. South Africa's try was disallowed because it was a knock-on, and was not awarded, by the correct process. Regardless, there is no New Zealanders in any recent posts in the last 100 odd that have claimed it should have been awarded. Are you hearing voiced of people with New Zealand accents saying otherwise? Because I think you genuinely qualify for paranoid schizophrenia.

 

[TRF_heineken]

maybe it's time a South African moderator steps in...

 

[Dougydeluxe]

I really hope this TMO gets sorted for the RWC. I wanted NZ to win because of my vCash, but I was happy that the TMO Ref, said F*** the rules this is about providing a fair and proper game to people. He made the right call 100% and I wish that Paddy will realize that this is important to the games integrity.

 

[nickdnz]

maybe it's time a South African moderator steps in...

...Quick question

if I f**k your mother, does that constitute you to kill me, because according to you, it's illegal.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Damn, that's why I hate it when the All Blacks play the Springboks.

Despite a vast majority of New Zealanders saying that the call was right but the process was incorrect, you get a crap load of South Africans of a certain ilk, whom get on their paranoid pedestal and fling as many allegations that they can think of. What's better is that after a good solid year of getting whooped by everyone, they win a game against a New Zealand team without their best prop, lock, openside, blindside, number 8, first five eighth, second five eighth, centre and fullback and start acting like they're gods gift to rugby, claiming that a 13 point win of nothing but penalties and a drop goal are what real test rugby is about, and that it is what will win a World Cup.

Is Paddy O'Brien bias? Well people whom make this claim are not only ignorant of what his job actually entails, but also lack an real evidence at all. Obviously one of the games was his defense over Wayne Barnes performance in the RWC QF. I can think of three games in which he has made any statement regarding referee decisions against the All Blacks. New Zealand v Italy in 2009 in which the game lost over twenty minutes in scrum resets, including the last 10 minutes in which a yellow card was given. From anyone whom watched that game will realize just how shocking Stewart Dickinson's performance was, despite the All Blacks winning. He has since looked terrible in every match I've seen him ref, so a small slap on the wrist and a public statement was considerably less than what I think should have been done.

This is the third time I've really heard him make any comment, and boy is this a real show of his colours. He has told a Namibian referee that his total disregard for what he is able to rule on, was not what has been discussed and decided upon by an IRB panel. *******. Fact is I've seen him make similar comments regarding he Wales v Ireland incident not so long ago with the throw in. Sometimes it's actually worth knowing what you are talking about before you run your mouth. This victim mentality is just likke nothing I've ever seen before from any other nation, even when you have won a game.

But that's just it isn't it? He only comes to the fore when NZ is involved. And if anyone from another country calls on it they are paranoid. Also, look at the dropping of Alan Lewis (a great ref) for the RWC and who gets called up? A Kiwi. So a Kiwi ref replaces a consistent ref that the NZ coaching staff had a go at...
If our fault is being paranoid then NZ's fault (ITO rugby supporters) is a sense of smug entitlement.

 

[nickdnz]

But that's just it isn't it? He only comes to the fore when NZ is involved. And if anyone from another country calls on it they are paranoid. Also, look at the dropping of Alan Lewis (a great ref) for the RWC and who gets called up? A Kiwi. So a Kiwi ref replaces a consistent ref that the NZ coaching staff had a go at...
If our fault is being paranoid then NZ's fault (ITO rugby supporters) is a sense of smug entitlement.

Not really. The only time anyone cares what Paddy O'Brien has to say is when it involves New Zealand, because it justifies what ever opinion they already have. I've given other examples when he has given his opinion on other games, and in fact defended opposition to the All Blacks.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Not really. The only time anyone cares what Paddy O'Brien has to say is when it involves New Zealand, because it justifies what ever opinion they already have. I've given other examples when he has given his opinion on other games, and in fact defended opposition to the All Blacks.

I rest my case. SA has on plenty of occasions asked for clarification only to receive no public comment whatsoever. The same with other countries.

 

[nickdnz]

I rest my case. SA has on plenty of occasions asked for clarification only to receive no public comment whatsoever. The same with other countries.

Give an example? Wales v Ireland in the 6 Nations, Paddy O'Brien clearly gave comment. It's all about actually backing up your statements with evidence, otherwise it's just blind allegations.

 

[Seaton]

Time for an icebreaker...

ZaCk PdViVVie!!!

There a matter that everyone, apart from myself, on this forum can agree on.*

Good news for the Boks regarding Lambie and Steyn F:

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/110822/Lambie_Steyn_cleared_for_selection


* Yes I know there are people who are going to say "Keep PdV, he is a tool of a coach and thus makes the Boks easier to beat"

 

[Thingimubob]

Was only a matter of time before this type of TMO decision popped up in a big international match. Happened last season with the Scarlets vs Ulster, Stoddard had a slight knock on about 5 or 6 metres from the try line, though his grounding was fine. TMO gave it as a knock on, which was the right decision, but technically the wrong one at the same time since he can't comment on things that aren't in goal/the actual act of scoring the try. Nigel Davies was furious about it at the time (though I think he was more furious that as well as that, the Scarlets got screwed over all game by a very very poor untested referee)
Bit of a murky subject atm though, would be nice if the IRB could come out and just sort it out soon. Though would hate it if it got to the same level as you see in Rugby League where you often see referee's going to the TMO's to check pretty much everything in the build up. Always thought it was daft to use the TMO to look at something that happened around 50m away from the try line.

 

[mattygboi]

end of the day rugby was played and springboks won! TMO made the correct decision and that linesman need to get grilled for missing the forward pass in real time! SPRINGBOKS WON! nz didnt....done

 

[FlukeArtist]

Give an example? Wales v Ireland in the 6 Nations, Paddy O'Brien clearly gave comment. It's all about actually backing up your statements with evidence, otherwise it's just blind allegations.

Nice one Nick... the silence is deafening