Transfers rumours

[munstermuffin]

Jesus. Poor guy. He's clearly struggling to make ends meet. I wouldn't get out of bed for less than 500k.

Not bad but when you consider IRFU are paying €550k to a guy not a certain starter and 33years old some may say it a questionable spread of wages

 

[Amiga500]

Not bad but when you consider IRFU are paying €550k to a guy not a certain starter and 33years old some may say it a questionable spread of wages

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[munstermuffin]

Not sure if POM is in a great bargaining position.

He should definitely not be comparing his situation to Sexton. J10 has no viable alternative and is easily top 3 in world (along with Barrett and Foley, Finn Russell is on the way to that level). POM isn't even the best 6 in Ireland (SOB is) and isn't top 5 in the world.

Heaslip is more comparable and that deal was a mistake on the IRFUs part, one they would do well not to repeat.

But it more the way market going.
CJ Stander already told he not not getting a CC and talks on going to allow outside fund

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Not sure if POM is in a great bargaining position.

He should definitely not be comparing his situation to Sexton. J10 has no viable alternative and is easily top 3 in world (along with Barrett and Foley, Finn Russell is on the way to that level). POM isn't even the best 6 in Ireland (SOB is) and isn't top 5 in the world.

Heaslip is more comparable and that deal was a mistake on the IRFUs part, one they would do well not to repeat.

Foley?

Heaslip's deal can't be called a mistake yet. If he comes back and plays like he did in the 6n and last Autumn it can't be complained about. If he's forced to retire he won't hold out for the money because he already makes big bucks outside the sport. Coming back as a much deteriorated player is the only way it'll be a bad deal really.

 

[munstermuffin]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Maybe not but that the factors

 

[snoopy snoopy dog dog]

Peter O'Mahony following Simon Zebo, Rassie Erasumus and Donnacha Ryan out the door. To paraphrase Ciaran Fitzgerald, where's their effin' pride.

 

[munstermuffin]

Peter O'Mahony following Simon Zebo, Rassie Erasumus and Donnacha Ryan out the door. To paraphrase Ciaran Fitzgerald, where's their effin' pride.

As was always the case. When there is a gulf in money like is the case why not. Of you'r doing alot of the same work that your peer is but he's getting twice the wage and more wouldn't you be same.
And you don't factor in life.
Zebos is a personal call based on family. Let's not forget his family are French. His in-aws are Spanish.
Donnacha Ryan. Left for huge payday at his age it's hardly leaving in lurch especially when no IRFU deal was offered despite claims.
Rassie. Would you call Schmidt a sell out if he left for NZ. Again that is a sad comparison from a man with no bias. And pre empting POM scenario and cladding him that way is a bit sad. Don't recall you calling Sexton similar or Healy last year?
And Snoop for a man who was all about RK stuff last Saturday you sound very hypocritical "attacking a man when down".

 

[munstermuffin]

Foley?

Heaslip's deal can't be called a mistake yet. If he comes back and plays like he did in the 6n and last Autumn it can't be complained about. If he's forced to retire he won't hold out for the money because he already makes big bucks outside the sport. Coming back as a much deteriorated player is the only way it'll be a bad deal really.

It was a mistake before it was signed as it was clear there was huge competition there and regardless of he was best 8 there or not it is a waste of money and as you said if Heaslip didn't need money why pay so much?
When you factor in age, competition in backrow and value it's awful and looks worst now as other players use it as leverage and injury

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

It was a mistake before it was signed as it was clear there was huge competition there and regardless of he was best 8 there or not it is a waste of money and as you said if Heaslip didn't need money why pay so much?
When you factor in age, competition in backrow and value it's awful and looks worst now as other players use it as leverage and injury

Meh, at the time it was given he was far and away the first choice 8 for Joe, he got injured which makes it look bad, that's unforeseeable though.

 

[Amiga500]

Foley?

Bernard Foley is a cracking 10.

 

[Amiga500]

looks worst now as other players use it as leverage and injury

This is the crux of it.

 

[big ginger 8]

Heaslip is more comparable and that deal was a mistake on the IRFUs part, one they would do well not to repeat.

It was?

EDIT: posted this without realising there was a further page with discussion about this. No need to change this threads direction for my post. Can see the positions now.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Bernard Foley is a cracking 10.

He's good, better a couple years' back, but in the same breath as Sexman?

 

[MikeTheNative]

Rugby isn't a long career and unlike football don't earn millions of pounds a year so I don't think people should judge too much for players moving for money.

 

[Groundhog]

Having Zebo, Ryan and O'Mahony leave within a short time would be pretty crippling for us. Whatever about needs for the national team, the IRFU can't let so many high profile players go at once, let alone make it an attractive option for players. I know some people on here and elsewhere will react with thinly veiled glee if he goes just because they get off on the more reactionary elements of the Munster fanbase losing their **** at the IRFU (eg comments like 'so much for their pashun' etc etc), but two players leaving pre World Cup would be a horrible precedent for everyone, and a hamstrung Munster is awful for Irish rugby.

 

[munstermuffin]

Meh, at the time it was given he was far and away the first choice 8 for Joe, he got injured which makes it look bad, that's unforeseeable though.

Not disputing that but given his age and the competitiveness of backrow factored with his age

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

Not disputing that but given his age and the competitiveness of backrow factored with his age

Ah yeah, but looking at his injury profile and form prior to injury it made sense. He's a huge figure in the squad too.
I imagine POM would be looking at 350-400k this time around and I'd be of the opinion he deserves it after this Autumn where he proved to be a class above Ruddock. If the IRFU don't keep him they should be crucified, he's more important than D Ryan or Zeebs.

 

[munstermuffin]

Ah yeah, but looking at his injury profile and form prior to injury it made sense. He's a huge figure in the squad too.
I imagine POM would be looking at 350-400k this time around and I'd be of the opinion he deserves it after this Autumn where he proved to be a class above Ruddock. If the IRFU don't keep him they should be crucified, he's more important than D Ryan or Zeebs.

Well firstly can't see this as more than bargain thing.
Also you have to factor in market value as Munster captain and on Munster side of marketing as well as Ireland side.

 

[Amiga500]

He's good, better a couple years' back, but in the same breath as Sexman?

Well, I think any discussion of top 3 outside halves in the world will boil down to 3 of:

Sexton
Farrell
Barrett
Foley

I dropped out Farrell as I think while he's a very good 10, he's a sharper operator at 12.

Anyway, point I was making, POM is not in the discussion for top 3 blindsides in the world. Indeed, if Marcel Coetzee was fit, he'd scrape in 3rd of the best 3 blindsides in Ireland. So how big is his bargaining power? Not as big as Frankie would have you believe.

 

[Amiga500]

I'd be of the opinion he deserves it after this Autumn where he proved to be a class above Ruddock. If the IRFU don't keep him they should be crucified, he's more important than D Ryan or Zeebs.

Ah dunno. Leavy or VDF could become our 7 allowing SOB to revert to his best position. Or if Toner & James Ryan were in the row, Henderson could be at 6.

Agreed on more important than D Ryan and far more important than Zebo. But not irreplaceable IMO.