Transfers rumours

[McTallshort]

Not really its just a big company with seperate departments that have to manage their own budgets and are rewarded by the business they generate.

OK next question (sorry but you are helping me get my head round this) Jonny Sexton doesnt play in a provenice so will not have a central contract and is employed by a french club. How does that work and who gets what?

 

[j'nuh]

Not all are contracted, most are probably academy too and regards Leinster some could be on more money more on less and some semi contracted with some academy

Nope, the academy is separate from the 41 players. If you include the academy, then it's 63 players. Average salary then = 20k euros. Then it's starting to go below 20k if you include the coaching team in that figure too.

Whether the average is 30k, 20k, 40k, 50k, whatever. 1.3m just doesn't put their salaries in anywhere near the right ballpark for what a professional rugby player earns. There would be no players left in Ireland if everyone other than the internationals could double/triple their salary elsewhere. To think then that Leinster have a squad good enough to rotate and win the Pro12 and give a damn good account of themselves in the HC too... I just simply don't believe that 1.3m figure...

 

[munstermuffin]

He got it wrote in to contract to be released and by IRB laws players have to be released in designated windows. Sextons issues will be in break weeks of 6 Nations the Irish based players stay in camp he has to be returned to France. IRFU pay compensation through insurance if he's injured on national duty but no appearance fee is paid

 

[munstermuffin]

Nope, the academy is separate from the 41 players. If you include the academy, then it's 63 players. Average salary then = 20k euros. Then it's starting to go below 20k if you include the coaching team in that figure too.

Whether the average is 30k, 20k, 40k, 50k, whatever. 1.3m just doesn't put their salaries in anywhere near the right ballpark for what a professional rugby player earns. There would be no players left in Ireland if everyone other than the internationals could double/triple their salary elsewhere. To think then that Leinster have a squad good enough to rotate and win the Pro12 and give a damn good account of themselves in the HC too... I just simply don't believe that 1.3m figure...

Well that is fact and in Connacht I can guarantee they do not have 41 senior players. Munster and Leinster don't have that.
Checked out all that and a lot of them 41 are development contracts not full pro contracts.

 

[munstermuffin]

Just checked its around €1.3-1.6m per province and excludes Central, Academy and pro-rata development contracts.

 

[McTallshort]

He got it wrote in to contract to be released and by IRB laws players have to be released in designated windows. Sextons issues will be in break weeks of 6 Nations the Irish based players stay in camp he has to be returned to France. IRFU pay compensation through insurance if he's injured on national duty but no appearance fee is paid

Its not "appearence money" rugby is a pro game, if you play for someone its more than reasonable to expect to be paid its not an ametur sport anymore, I thank you for explaining some stuff to be but there is no way Sexton would not get paid for playing for Ireland in someway shape or form.

 

[j'nuh]

41 players. 31 players. Whatever it is, it doesn't matter. You can get 10 average-standard Premiership players for 1.3m euros. Think Thomas Waldrom. You can't build a Europe-conquering team on that kind of money.

Take Ulster. Guys like Afoa (will be the highest paid Premiership player next season, so will be on £330+k) and Pienaar will probably eat up ~200k euros apiece. Add in players like Muller, Henry, Henderson, Wilson, Gilroy, Payne, Trimble and Jackson and 1.3m is a distant memory, and you've still got 20+ players, a coaching team and an academy to pay for...

 

[McTallshort]

I agree j'nuh, the figures just dont add up. There is no way sides like Ulster and Leinster could pull in the stars they do without paying top dollar for them. I still believe as I did before that the top 3 Irish sides have a bigger budget than any of the other pro 12 sides and most of the clubs in the EPL or top 14, whether its from central contracts, private investers in Ulsters case or whatever they must be paying or they wouldnt get the players.

 

[dullonien]

The IRFU allocate it but the provinces still have to operate as business so it's vital they still sell out games etc and they do. Each province does it different like here in Munster the MRSC pays the academy a large chunk but it's a confusing thing to explain but provinces are basically 4 separate business's under the 1 large business.

From this quote, I'm guessing that the €1.3-1.6m is the money given to the provinces by the IRFU, on top of any centrally contracted players. The provinces will then be free to use money they earn themselves through gate receipts etc. as well. So in reality Leinster's playing budget would be far higher when you add up centrally contracted players + €1.3-1.6m + whatever they make from the large crowds they draw.

Take Ulster. Guys like Afoa (will be the highest paid Premiership player next season, so will be on £330+k) and Pienaar will probably eat up ~200k euros apiece. Add in players like Muller, Henry, Henderson, Wilson, Gilroy, Payne, Trimble and Jackson and 1.3m is a distant memory, and you've still got 20+ players, a coaching team and an academy to pay for...

The IRFU might also directly fund the academies.

 

[lynam1104]

I think a few are over estimating what an Irish pro rugby player is played, the IRFU and provinces use other draws to keep their players like tax breaks and fairly good player welfare scheme.

Not that I have any facts to back it, this is a rumors thread.

 

[big ginger 8]

There is appearance money for Ireland for most players. Those who are likely to start being more likely given a lump sum without appearance incentives. Everything is being cut anyway including the number of central contracts.

 

[Rumpi]

There is appearance money for Ireland for most players. Those who are likely to start being more likely given a lump sum without appearance incentives. Everything is being cut anyway including the number of central contracts.

They have to cut back, the IRFU borrowed over 20 million last year, simply can't afford to compete with the wages in France. If there's no HEC next year the provinces will take an even bigger hit.

 

[munstermuffin]

There is appearance money for Ireland for most players. Those who are likely to start being more likely given a lump sum without appearance incentives. Everything is being cut anyway including the number of central contracts.

No player gets appearance money at all. The terms on their contract is you have to make yourself available for all teams. That 100% fact. For example if you were in job and worked in 1 part but then had to go to HQ for few weeks would you get a rise? No. People fail to see IRFU pay their wages so it not like other countries regards appearance.
@Dull the money they earn portions go back to IRFU. The â'¬1.3-â'¬1.6 is their budget for salaries they get money elsewhere for other issues if required. But as was said I think ye overthink what provinces pay. It's no secret money is much more in England but tax schemes player welfare and better commercial deals are some reasons.
For what it worth I'd guess the average wage (excluding Central Contracts) is between â'¬50k and â'¬55k per year.
As in example Simon Zebo only signed new deal recently worth â'¬80k for 3 years. Before that he was on â'¬35k up until last year. But he's getting cars and other commercial deals which are his own dealings but brings his revenue up.
Although now IRFU are trying to save and guys like Paulie are being offered deals where part is basic wage and part is based on appearance eg â'¬350k - â'¬225k straight up and rest based on him appearing in games so that they not paying injured guys lots

 

[Draggs]

Will Harries and Adam Hughes to be released, apparently.
Henson linking himself with NGD.

 

[big ginger 8]

They have to cut back, the IRFU borrowed over 20 million last year, simply can't afford to compete with the wages in France. If there's no HEC next year the provinces will take an even bigger hit.

I didn't say they don't have to cut or can compete?

No player gets appearance money at all. The terms on their contract is you have to make yourself available for all teams. That 100% fact. For example if you were in job and worked in 1 part but then had to go to HQ for few weeks would you get a rise? No. People fail to see IRFU pay their wages so it not like other countries regards appearance.

I'm fully aware that every contract is payed for by the IRFU. This does not mean there's no appearance money. There are appearance incentives, Jonathan Sexton said as much himself in his book his last contract had appearance incentives and the IRFU offered him a decent lump sum or a smaller lump some with Ireland bonuses put on top potentially putting it higher than the other.

 

[munstermuffin]

I didn't say they don't have to cut or can compete?



I'm fully aware that every contract is payed for by the IRFU. This does not mean there's no appearance money. There are appearance incentives, Jonathan Sexton said as much himself in his book his last contract had appearance incentives and the IRFU offered him a decent lump sum or a smaller lump some with Ireland bonuses put on top potentially putting it higher than the other.

Yes there are bonuses but I can 100% say there is no appearance fee in IRFU contracts. Like if you think about it these guys are minded so well for national team as they and provincial contracts get a bonus for being called in to camp but nothing to be excited about. But incentives for 6N displays and summer tours are extremely genourous.

 

[Tony Manx]

Zee Ngwenya to Leicester from Biarritz..............?

 

[Draggs]

Dan Evs to Ospreys, Ieuan Jones to blues. Livid about this, lyn ****ed up big time. Dumping Jones for talei is awful, terrible. Young talent showed so much promise last year but hardly given a shot. Toby will be gone after is contract and then what do we have? Benjamin maybe? Good luck Ieuan, will be supporting you.

 

[munstermuffin]

Not a signing as such but Keith Earls and Paulie have all but signed on new deals wit Ireland. Think it was 3 for Keith and 2 years for Paulie.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Ryan Jones --> Bristol