RWC Semi Final: France - Wales (15-08-2011, 21:00)

[lucky number 7]

You are one serious joke! Thinking you are so clever with your rule knowlegde. How about the ref using some common sense? Anybody who knows anything about rubgy thinks it was yellow the most! There was no malice in the tackle what soever.

In the studio, Peinaar and Dallaglio were outraged of the decision and so were every rugby loving fans out there because it was no way a red card!! You are just being a pedantic prick and frankly I don't care what you think because you are wrong!

Intent doesn't make a ****ing difference you sub intellectual pillock. Anybody who knows anything about rugby will understand there are rules for a reason ..it's a dangerous sport.

 

[Thingimubob]

Meh, agree that it was dangerous but still dont see it as a red. I know I keep saying this, but seen far worse spear tackles where the player has been driven head first into the ground (Clerc landed on his upper shoulders and not even properly on his neck imo), yet no red has been given? Sometimes not even a yellow. That's what I'm most angry about, bugger all consistency.

 

[racingmetrofan]

Whether it was a red card or not doesn't matter - the Welsh missed kicks that they should have got and neither Jones or Hook was able to execute a proper drop goal. They lost for the same reasons that they lost against SA, just couldn't nail and play that extra 1%. I agree that it was a red card offense and it was a really really really stupid tackle.

While the French have played very poor rugby this world cup, they've managed to do just enough to win the right games, and imo they have the best players in Europe across the board. If they can pull it out for the final and play 100%, both NZ or Aus would be seriously challenged.

 

[TRF_Ezequiel]

All I can say is congrats to the French... It was not deserved, but that doesn't count. The red card was justified and despite being a man down, Wales had the chance to win it. If only Leigh Halfpenny would have kicked all the penalties... He does have a better boot than Hook, which he showed against Ireland

 

[groga]

It was a red.

Could have been a yellow. (was just stupid though)

Just like to say Parra Defense was amazing, the amount of times I saw him tackling the big centers wow.

France can't kick the ball to kiwis or australia like that they will lose simple as that.

Need to run it a chip kicks over the defense wall.

If France click could be an awesome game.

 

[psychic duck]

Earlier this year in January, in a Heineken Cup match, the exact same thing happened to Toulouse, red card for Florian Fritz, it cost Toulouse a home quarter final and the commentators there at the time were all agreeing that is was a red card (whilst they now all say it's not a red card)

oh and look who was the referee in this video

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[Mr.cyclopede]

Just because you're French and I'm French doesn't mean we're the same or have the same ideas. You have been buying this Welsh hype that any home nations team seems to spout whenever they get a win. Ireland for the World Cup in 2007? 2011? Please... Wales arrogant as ever because they played Ireland in the Quarters? They were the worst team in the top 8. They beat Australia but where are Australia now? England fluked their way to the top of the pool and got dropped due to their one dimensional passing the ball flat tactic on attack. If Wales deserved to be in the Final then they should have beaten France and South Africa (who were also dropped in the quarters).

I won't go as far as Elgringo saying we don't deserve the win, but if there's to be an arrogant around here, it's you.
Never saw any arrogance in Walles team, medias or even most of their supporters this week.

To come back on the match, we were not brilliant for sure but we made the job. On both side, strategy has been intense and defense took advantage on attack, and I think deception comes from the fact that both fans thought the game would be a cracker in terms of "Champagne rugby" when it went on a up and under game as every one scared the opposition.

For the French side, I think it was a dangerous bet from Lievremont to engage Swarsevski and Barcella so soon in the match (to save Poux and Servat who were not burned IMO). Swarsevki very poor ball in hand and in a another bad day in lineouts.

 

[Thingimubob]

All I can say is congrats to the French... It was not deserved, but that doesn't count. The red card was justified and despite being a man down, Wales had the chance to win it. If only Leigh Halfpenny would have kicked all the penalties... He does have a better boot than Hook, which he showed against Ireland

Agree with you there, was saying that all through the match! Damn Jones and hitting the post in World Cups...

 

[User1245]

That was a red card. People want consistency from the refs yet they'll say the ref should have thought about how this being a semi-final? What bullshit is that? The law is very clear about these kinds of tackles and the decision was in line with them.
This is actually the exact type of tackle that happened to me and my T9 vertebrae suffered a compression fracture. It dangerous and must be rooted out, if that happens to be in a WC semi then so be it.
Clerc was deliberately picked up, twisted his and thrown to the ground with his hips way above his head. Red card.

 

[Thingimubob]

Earlier this year in January, in a Heineken Cup match, the exact same thing happened to Toulouse, red card for Florian Fritz, it cost Toulouse a home quarter final and the commentators there at the time were all agreeing that is was a red card (whilst they now all say it's not a red card)

oh and look who was the referee in this video

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I remember watching that game and thinking 'eh?! that wasn't a red?'

 

[munstermuffin]

Lads having watched the red card offense again I think it was the correct call and maybe the Welsh will realise that when emotion sets in.
Laws don't deal with intentional or accidental - Only did the crime occur.
Warburton did lift Clerc up and therefor was the man in control. Yes he did not drive him to the floor but the law states if the man can't break his fall then it is a red card. Clerc could not have used his arms to break his fall and well a matter of milimetres and Clerc was landing on his neck and a possible serious injury. Warburton shouldn't have taken the risk even as possibilty of a red card was always on and well in fairness to the IRB they have constantly said they'd be strict in this area. Also the angle he let him go was at a dangerous angle which could've been as bad as driving him.

 

[ckell]

You are one serious joke! Thinking you are so clever with your rule knowlegde. How about the ref using some common sense? Anybody who knows anything about rubgy thinks it was yellow the most! There was no malice in the tackle what soever.

In the studio, Peinaar and Dallaglio were outraged of the decision and so were every rugby loving fans out there because it was no way a red card!! You are just being a pedantic prick and frankly I don't care what you think because you are wrong!

I'm reading, but all I can see is ''WAH WAH WAH''

 

[SelimNiai]

Earlier this year in January, in a Heineken Cup match, the exact same thing happened to Toulouse, red card for Florian Fritz, it cost Toulouse a home quarter final and the commentators there at the time were all agreeing that is was a red card (whilst they now all say it's not a red card)

oh and look who was the referee in this video

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That was less of a red than Sam's today.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

I'm reading, but all I can see is ''WAH WAH WAH''

Well ... at least we are still at the RWC ... badum tish

 

[cyRil]

Apologies. Labelling Warburton a 'thug' wound me right up. Especially from someone whose country don't half relish a stamp and an eye-gouge. If people banging on about technicalities and it was all Warburton's fault could shush a bit that would be lovely.

 

[elgringoborracho]

Earlier this year in January, in a Heineken Cup match, the exact same thing happened to Toulouse, red card for Florian Fritz, it cost Toulouse a home quarter final and the commentators there at the time were all agreeing that is was a red card (whilst they now all say it's not a red card)

oh and look who was the referee in this video

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i remember getting insulted when saying this one was a yellow at best. whatever, just play according to the rules or you will face the ref's severity.
don't do those kinds of tackles if you don't want to get carded

 

[cyRil]

I remember watching that game and thinking 'eh?! that wasn't a red?'

I did exactly the same.

 

[munstermuffin]

Apologies. Labelling Warburton a 'thug' wound me right up. Especially from someone whose country don't half relish a stamp and an eye-gouge. If people banging on about technicalities and it was all Warburton's fault could shush a bit that would be lovely.

Agree with this having watched Warburton over the past few years he is a gifted clean player and well while I think it was a red card I'd say it was simply just because of a misjudged tackle and technique but Warburton I'm 100% sure had no malice and is not a player who goes out to illegally hurt an opponent.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Well ... at least we are still at the RWC ... badum tish

Can I add a Rebuttle:

 

[Dizzy]

Wow, full credit to Wales, they played for an hour without arguably their most effective forward, their captain and lets face it, to keep a team on the back burner when you're a man down for an hour shows how deserving they were of a win. Sadly, it wasn't to be.

On the red card, IT WASN'T A RED CARD OFFENSE!!!!... Sure the rules clearly state that, but f*** me!, the rules also state that if a player drops the ball forward it's a knock on and how many times have we seen the ball get dislodged by opposition and it always gets called a knock on. For all those who are going on about, "It's the rules, Warburton was wrong", get over yourselves. There is clearly a BIG problem in terms of refereeing and the laws and as I've been saying all tournament. Controversial calls cost matches and Welsh are very unlucky, it was a damn yellow card offense and that's that. If they're going to be strict and truly enforce the laws BY THE BOOK, then do it with ALL the calls, make sure you've covered every f***ing law to the book, otherwise it's an injustice.

In saying that, Wales still could have won this match, Stephen Jones was terrible when he came on, and why he turned onto his left foot when he tried to droppy is beyond me. He wasn't forced onto it at all, he just looked really unco-ordinated, the way he took the ball, ran with the ball, passed, I think it was wrong to take Hook off.

The true match happens tomorrow and I can now say that whoever wins tomorrow should be awarded the cup right there and then