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ImScotty said:
racism here ?
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TRF_Olyy said:
A modder is someone who mods games,
A mod is a moderator,
I'm an admin.
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well im sure its an admin job to make sure the forum is running perfectly and make people welcome here from all round the world and help them if they have a problem yes ?
 
ImScotty said:
well im sure its an admin job to make sure the forum is running perfectly and make people welcome here from all round the world and help them if they have a problem yes ?
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Everyone here is racist, you only get in trouble if you direct said racism at someone not on the forum. Keep up kid.
 
ragerancher said:
When all else fails just think, what would William Wallace do?
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isn't that just hilarious @ImScotty ?! totally unpredictable, just classic material right there !! Hah, I almost practically spilled the cup of coffee I'm not holding in my hand right now ! Hah, yeah I totally DID !! I even had some people not look at the screen just now, it's such a vintage moment ! Hah, I'm wiping the tears of laughter not off my eyes...hee hee !
 
Big Ewis said:
isn't that just hilarious @ImScotty ?! totally unpredictable, just classic material right there !! Hah, I almost practically spilled the cup of coffee I'm not holding in my hand right now ! Hah, yeah I totally DID !! I even had some people not look at the screen just now, it's such a vintage moment ! Hah, I'm wiping the tears of laughter not off my eyes...hee hee !
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You seem to have a strange compulsion to single out my comments every time, did I wrong you in a past life or something Ewis? Funny I made a bet with myself that you would do that and was right. Still, I'm sure we can rely on you to be the measure of what to say and what not to.
 
I think the problem here comes when you have to think about the last five. Also in the top 5 there's something: Australia is better than England. No chance here for the english. Of course they are able to defeat the AB's once in a couple of years -out of our league of course-, but is way too different a level of competition if you think about the trouble in the context of a year, not just the ranking based on their actual ranking of IRB.

To begin with, Waratahs won Super Rugby, the most exigent rugby competition in this corner of the universe. England didn't won with Saracens; of course you could say Toulon is like Real Madrid of rugby, and it doesn't represent France's level at this moment, so the plucky brits prove to be the greatest of european talents at this moment. That's actually quite convincing, but I don't see it: Saracens, in a smaller scale have also foreing players, and even so, they are a professional rugby club with a big structure and take players from other english clubs (smaller, by the way). They are not underdogs. Waratahs are a team with australian players, australian coach, who played against the teams who produce the superstars who head to France when the moment of making big money comes, and they defeated them with extraordinary hability.

And the kind of game they deploy is another aspect. Compliments to english supporters, your boys are so extraordinary disciplined -on the field, by the way, we learned in 2011 they're not so polite off- and genuinely plucky, so teacious: they are ordered, commit few penalties, do everything just like the books tell to. But is not very thrilling. Wait: I know that is not an argument, but is just that. The point is that it's based on things that are not talent, but something anybody could achieve. That is very democratic I know, but not something you can search for glory on sport I think, you need a bit more. Let me explain myself again: of course they have talent, they're england's rugby team for God's sake, but they are not Australia. Aussies are a storm, an earthquake that simply doesn't have anything to compare with at any other nation of the tier-1; we're talking about a team who losed two genius like Genia and Cooper, loosed their first match against us in decades and still, with all the problems and mismanagment it had over the years, have the responsabilty to win every single time and, if not, you degade them immediatily. Jesus, every single autumn international I have to hear english complaining about the off-side the All Blacks allways get away with, that penalty in the third minute that OBVIOUSLY conditioned the entire match... what would be if they losed a couple of players like Genia and Cooper... and Beale?

Oh, wait, they actually don't have any player of that level. As much as I like -and I really do- Twelvtrees.

So I think ranking England over Australia, because of their level, their talent, their game, is quite absurd.

And the thing of the lower ranking -fifth to tenth- is simply about being a winner or a looser. It's miserable to put it like that, but it's how it is. Mental strenght, psicologhical preparation, mentality over all... Argentina is a looser, we just don't know how to kill a match. Maybe that'll change now. Wales doesn't have the ambition to reign over Europe, and they could. Italy needs to find a new way to estimulate rugby other than naturalize argentinians and australians, Scotland... I don't really know anything about them, sorry. I think, with the years, there has been a momentum that simply expands over the time, and that stream is etremely hard to resist and to change, it takes really brilliant managment and lead to do so, if it doesn't happen, teams get stacked in the same position like France, like Canada or Japan. I basically think all the numbers from 5 to 10 are more or less exchangable.

Sorry if somebody felt insulted by this post.
 
@Horacito You say a lot but very little is grounded in truth. I agree Australia are better than England but you are painting them as unbeatable. The last time we played (2013) we beat Australia. We beat them twice in 2010 and beat them in 2007 in the world cup so I can't agree that we are that much worse and don't stand a chance. Also to say England have no world class talent, I'd say we have a world class 2nd row with good front 3 and back rows. Also as for not being thrilling, yes we aren't the most creative side out there but then again we aren't the England of the past. We scored the 2nd most tries in the last 6 nations beaten only by Ireland.

Also you ask about England losing players, we have had times where we could form an entire team of injured players so we know perfectly well what it feels like to play without all your top players.

So yes England should be ranked below Australia and I suspect Ireland too but it's not like Australia are in a completely different league to us beyond any competition. As I said, we have beaten them in the world cup (twice) and the most recent game we beat them and then if you include the Lions, they also beat Australia. If they play like they did against the All Blacks in Bled. 3 then they should beat us quite convincingly.
 
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