Rate Tier 1 nations in order

[Big Ewis]

Yeah, because we beat said Tier 1 nations in doing it.

mm, and we're all..very, impressed.

 

[sharkfan]

At the moment..
1.New Zealand
2.South Africa
3.England
4.Ireland
5.Wales
6.Australia
7.Argentina
8.France
9.Scotland
10.Italy.......

 

[Big Ewis]

At the moment..
1.New Zealand
2.South Africa
3.England
4.Ireland
5.Wales
6.Australia
7.Argentina
8.France
9.Scotland
10.Italy.......

so those 6th ranked mediocre Aussies beat South Africa and almost New Zealand in two straight meetings at home ? They must've really been playing out of their skins lately. Also two huge upsets in Dublin and Cardiff then of the latest.

Mmm, mine would differ from that a little bit:

1 Argentina: everybody says NZ but that's just fkng mainstream you know the drill no scrum no win and the Pumas have dominated in that area plus their jerseys are totally killer.
2 New Zealand: just the utter pinnacle of ref sympathizing, brilliant masterful skills, these boys would befriend beach lifeguards in the blink of an eye seeing a whistle around their necks. They're also fairly good all-around and Rugby seems a fond thing over there.
3 France: got really homesick in the last tour of Australia, I think Michalak was caught crying, how could you blame em, you ever been to France ?? fkn...these guys are insanely good, they just need to be motivated seeing as how addictive life outside the fields is here..
4 Australia: love em or hate em, this isn't about taste, it's about fact, and these guys are just motherfkng sexy. Where others play rugged shiit dripping from their assholes Rugby, these golden boys bring disco to the pitches and will serve you 50 and blow you a kiss when they're done and snappin' fingahs, oooh gurl.
5 Ireland: they seem absolutely but I mean absolutely terrified of their new kiwi coach. I don't know what he does to them in those locker rooms, but we've never seen them guys play such committed ball. Striking. If you look at him closely, he does look like a madman.
6 South Africa: all their best players are away (mostly in countries with better food) and their staff is a bunch of bizarre, repressed stubborn ex-military old timers who'll never admit that. Meyer's reactions during game are alarming enough, but everybody seems to be letting him roam free and even coach the team. I think tolerance is great though. And the results have been there as they've even managed to pull off the upsets against the Pumas, twice.
7 Wales: these guys would be higher on the list, but in fact they aren't. Gatland ball is just sooo 2013...you gotta get with the times, thick and long is good, but you have to know how to use em...
8 Scotland: these guys suffer from a lack of identity today. They've lost their way. It's clear. They need to find their inner-Scotness once again and proudly wear the kilts on the pitch, in those rucks, in those scrums, and smear the war-feces on their faces. Maybe introduce their own ancient Celtic warcry routine before (and during) matches.
9 England: nothing to do with French bias at all, I just think...uhm...oh look ! ..Something.
10 Italy: no excuses for our Trans-Alpine cousins. They've lost every single game since the nineteen seve...well, for a long, long time.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

I'm siding with the Irish here, and am currently in talks with their leaders(BG8) to provide air strikes to support their troops on the ground - because picking Wales and France above them at this point in time with so much talent coming through and the results they've had , is utterly, utterly insane.

Also someone (can't remember) said somewhere above that they are rating Wales so highly because, from a boks perspective, they nearly beat them in a test match.
My first thought was, yeah, but you also smashed them in two test matches...?

 

[TRF_heineken]

I'm siding with the Irish here, and am currently in talks with their leaders(BG8) to provide air strikes to support their troops on the ground - because picking Wales and France above them at this point in time with so much talent coming through and the results they've had , is utterly, utterly insane.

Also someone (can't remember) said somewhere above that they are rating Wales so highly because, from a boks perspective, they nearly beat them in a test match.
My first thought was, yeah, but you also smashed them in two test matches...?

It was me.

And I looked at the last performance of the teams. Because you are only as good as your last match.

And I seriously don't know why my posts are being targeted here. It is my opinion on the rankings of the teams and I posted it not to win a popularity contest, but to show how I see the rankings of the teams.

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

It was me.

And I looked at the last performance of the teams. Because you are only as good as your last match.

I get that, and generally speaking I see the wisdom of what you say, but the only as good as your last match thing is unfortunately just a cliche in my view.

If you only look at he last game each team played you might very well find that Japan are the 4th best team in the world and that South Africa are better than New Zealand. You can't ignore trends over time surely, otherwise you'd be led to conclude that there is nothing to separate Australia from the other Sanzar nations. In reality Oz have been spiralling downwards as a side only saved but individual brilliant.
You can't divorce results from context and history in other words, and Wales are an example. Dunno if you saw their six nations performances by they are in poor shape.

 

[TRF_heineken]

i get that, and generally speaking I see the wisdom of what you say, but the only as good as your last match thing is unfortunately just a cliche in my view.

If you only look at he last game each team played you might very well find that Japan are the 4th best team in the world and that South Africa are better than New Zealand. You can't ignore trends over time surely, otherwise you'd be led to conclude that there is nothing to separate Australia from the other Sanzar nations. In reality Oz have been spiralling downwards as a side only saved but individual brilliant.
You can't divorce results from context and history in other words, and Wales are an example. Dunno if you saw their six nations performances by they are in poor shape.

And here I agree with you too. But this won't change my view on how I see the teams being ranked. In my view Wales are better than Ireland, and that viewpoint won't change, no matter how much it pi$$es people off...

 

[MojoPin]

OK...currently, I'd say...

1. New Zealand
2. South Africa
3. England
4. Australia
5. Ireland
6. Wales
7. Argentina
8. France
9. Scotland
10. Samoa

But, I think things will look very different by the end of the Autumn Internationals. I expect Australia to bump themselves back up to third and possibly for Scotland and Samoa to switch places. As a Welshman I'd of course love to see Wales climb a place or two but don't think it'll happen just yet. If Gatland's plan is to peak for the World Cup then we should realistically expect a solid but unspectacular performance in the AI and 6 Nations. We'll go into the RWC with England and Australia firm favourites, and then time will tell if all the preparation pays off. On their day I believe Wales could definitely make the top three but it won't be easy.

Personally, think the most interesting battle this Autumn will be Ireland and Australia...the Wallabies are under real pressure and if things don't go their way I could see them swapping places. But likewise Ireland need to back up a good Six Nations and prove they're a team on the up!

 

[big ginger 8]

Personally, think the most interesting battle this Autumn will be Ireland and Australia...the Wallabies are under real pressure and if things don't go their way I could see them swapping places. But likewise Ireland need to back up a good Six Nations and prove they're a team on the up!

It'll be pretty tough for us to back up the 6 Nations this autumn. Already we're missing a lot of players including talents such as Healy and O'Brien. We could also potentially be down to our third choice tighthead and of course have to find a new 13.

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

And here I agree with you too. But this won't change my view on how I see the teams being ranked. In my view Wales are better than Ireland, and that viewpoint won't change, no matter how much it pi$$es people off...

I don't really care about the rankings at all but your method of ranking is a bit bizarre to me! If I based my rankings on the last time teams played Ireland Australia would be top with NZ and SA in third and fourth! Wales haven't beaten Ireland since 2012 and France 2011 yet you are ranking them higher because they played SA more recently, I can't comprehend it and I don't think other people can either. Anyway, all to their own as you said it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. We'll see if it remains the same in two weeks time!

 

[psychic duck]

And here I agree with you too. But this won't change my view on how I see the teams being ranked. In my view Wales are better than Ireland, and that viewpoint won't change, no matter how much it pi$$es people off...

In fairness though Ireland are certainly the better outfit at this current moment of time, if you saw the game last February it was very one sided. There's not much of an argument to suggest Wales are in the top 2 in Europe.

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

And here I agree with you too. But this won't change my view on how I see the teams being ranked. In my view Wales are better than Ireland, and that viewpoint won't change, no matter how much it pi$$es people off...

RIGHT THAT IT.

outside

at the car park

15 minutes

and were having a serious talk

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

RIGHT THAT IT.

outside

at the car park

15 minutes

and were having a serious talk

1st rule of underground debating society, you talk about it a lot.

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

1st rule of underground debating society, you talk about it a lot.

watch i'll get a neg rep for this

 

[Jaguares]

At the moment..
1.New Zealand
2.South Africa
3.England
4.Ireland
5.Wales
6.Australia
7.Argentina
8.France
9.Scotland
10.Italy.......

Wales lost their last 9 games against Wallabies, even in their prime, 2012 (Grand Slam) & 2013 and you picked them over Aussies???

:suicide2:

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

It was me.

And I looked at the last performance of the teams. Because you are only as good as your last match.

And I seriously don't know why my posts are being targeted here. It is my opinion on the rankings of the teams and I posted it not to win a popularity contest, but to show how I see the rankings of the teams.

i'm only targeting because i dont know who in the right mind will say Italy before Scotland, seriously, Italy lost to Japan when we beat japan comfortably, plus Scotland do have good clubs while Italy doesn't really. Glasgow for example are successful in the pro 12 and atm the European Championship i dont see an Italian Club doing better. I'm 100% sure that if you want to compare teams look at the stats you say you compared stats by our teams stats against the Springboks take not that Italy never beaten the springboks, we have. The nearly best possible South Africa squad took on a not too great but no where near the best possible Scotland team. I reakon the Springboks will demolish the italian in november will that change your thought's or do you just simply have a hatred towards the scots ?

 

[TRF_heineken]

i'm only targeting because i dont know who in the right mind will say Italy before Scotland, seriously, Italy lost to Japan when we beat japan comfortably, plus Scotland do have good clubs while Italy doesn't really. Glasgow for example are successful in the pro 12 and atm the European Championship i dont see an Italian Club doing better. I'm 100% sure that if you want to compare teams look at the stats you say you compared stats by our teams stats against the Springboks take not that Italy never beaten the springboks, we have. The nearly best possible South Africa squad took on a not too great but no where near the best possible Scotland team. I reakon the Springboks will demolish the italian in november will that change your thought's or do you just simply have a hatred towards the scots ?

One word:

Gingers!!

 

[Flyingdolphins]

i'm only targeting because i dont know who in the right mind will say Italy before Scotland, seriously, Italy lost to Japan when we beat japan comfortably, plus Scotland do have good clubs while Italy doesn't really. Glasgow for example are successful in the pro 12 and atm the European Championship i dont see an Italian Club doing better. I'm 100% sure that if you want to compare teams look at the stats you say you compared stats by our teams stats against the Springboks take not that Italy never beaten the springboks, we have. The nearly best possible South Africa squad took on a not too great but no where near the best possible Scotland team. I reakon the Springboks will demolish the italian in november will that change your thought's or do you just simply have a hatred towards the scots ?

Me thinks somebody don't like the haggis. Perhaps he's English pretending to be a Bokkie :sly:

 

[iINDOMINUSxx]

One word:

Gingers!!

not all scottish people are ginger. i knew you had a hate for us.

 

[TRF_heineken]

not all scottish people are ginger. i knew you had a hate for us.

You guys wear skirts and blow!!