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June Internationals - South Africa vs. Samoa (22/06/2013)

TRF_Ezequiel said:
This is the sequence of this argument. What is your point? You ***** about Ellis Park not being the same as Loftus, because at Loftus there's a bigger advantage due to altitude.

Johannesburg is higher than Pretoria, FACT.

What makes Loftus a harder place to play? Because the altitude cannot be one of them. If anything, Pretoria is easier to play for coastal teams like the Sharks, Crusaders, Stormers, Samoa, Fiji and any European country. Why? Because Pretoria is closer to sea level than Jo'burg. Therefor it's less of a strain on the body. Not making it easy, but Jo'burg is still higher and more difficult to play because of that.

Your point is invalid. Your beautiful document doesn't prove anything but just proves my point.
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And you completely forgot because its a bit lower than JHB Pretoria will always be 2 or 3 degree warmer than JHB. (Usually a difference of 100 m in elevation corresponds to 1 degree Celsius difference in temperature.) Combine factors of high altitude and temperatures you get more drained at Loftus than what you would at Ellispark. FACT. Then there is the Kickbot 3000 who can make more meters than expansive sides coming there throwing it around trying to run the Bulls of the park, getting booted back with losing that energy that you would throwing it around. If they moved SA or Bulls matches to 15h00 at Loftus. Then it would be harder to beat them especially if national side contains many players from that region.

As for closer to sea level. Which coast? Cape Town? PE? Where?
 
sifplay said:
As for closer to sea level. Which coast? Cape Town? PE? Where?
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You, sir, are an idiot. Sea level has nothing to do with distance between a specific location and the coast.

And on the altitude. You change your story. First, Pretoria was an advantage due to altitude. Now, it's a mixture of altitude and temperature (climate).

You're arguing like a woman. When you cannot win the argument, you change your story.
 
Wtf does altitude have to do with temperature or humidity??!!

Durban and Cape Town are both at sea level, yet the temperatures are vastly different! So according to your einstein mind, players should be equally drained after the match... Yet for some unexplained cosmic reason Durban makes them much more dehydrated and cause more cramping.

Wow. What a way to prove your retardedness!
 
TRF_Ezequiel said:
You, sir, are an idiot. Sea level has nothing to do with distance.

And on the altitude. You change your story. First, Pretoria was an advantage due to altitude. Now, it's a mixture of altitude and temperature (climate).

You're arguing like a woman. When you cannot win the argument, you change your story.
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I have been called better by worse.
Well if I drive 1393 kilometers from Pretoria I am in Cape Town which is at sea level.

I said the Bulls have a bigger advantage due to altitude. It is not my problem if you were sleeping in science class. Nor is it my responsibility to explain it to you.

For the record your insults is pathetic. I heard better from spastic hillbillies with webbed feet. I note you are playing tag team here and I take it the three of you are good friends. So it must feel great to run around throwing insults with the knowledge if you get put down by a reply you always have a friend that can use his power to ban me. Which equals to beating up a man with his hands tied behind his back. Great! you must feel all macho!
 
Bulls have a bigger advantage due to altitude, but the match played in Jo'burg, against the Lions, didn't give the Lions an advantage?

I don't care how many km's you have to drive to Cape Town. Sea Level is about altitude, not distance. It's like saying lightyears are measurements for time.

Again, you avoid my question. In stead, you repeat what you have said before.
 
heineken said:
Wtf does altitude have to do with temperature or humidity??!!

Durban and Cape Town are both at sea level, yet the temperatures are vastly different! So according to your einstein mind, players should be equally drained after the match... Yet for some unexplained cosmic reason Durban makes them much more dehydrated and cause more cramping.

Wow. What a way to prove your retardedness!
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No. You are just too stupid to read properly.

Durban and Cape Town have different temperatures and go look up what elevation means. Wait let me help you out

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Now jog on. Your out of your league
 
stormer2010 said:
1 T Nyakane
2 B du PLessis
3 C Oosthuizen
4 F van der Merwe
5 E Etzebeth
6 F Louw
7 S Kolisi
8 W Alberts (if over the stomach thing otherwise Spies will have to do)
9 P van Zyl
10 P Lambie (I wouldn't mind the encumbents starting but part of the problems for SA thus far IMO is no impetus from our halves; no taking the game to the opposition)
11 JJ Engelbrecht (Basson's defense is suspect and JJ's positional frailties in defense will be less of a factor on the wing)
12 J Serfontein
13 J de Villiers
14 B Habana
15 W le Roux

16 T Mtawarira
17 A Strauss (BdP won out last game and it should be a who was better in the previous match IMO; keep up the competition for the jersey)
18 J Kruger (Flip had a better game last week and at least hit some rucks)
19 P Labuschagne (better to blood him now while Botha is injured and we won't get 'easier' games in the Rugby Championship)
20 R Pienaar
21 M Steyn
22 doesn't matter
23 L Adriaanse (give the doc a rest and let him help some sick people!!)
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This is the official team will start the game or is it just an assumption of yours? Because if Jan Serfontein will start the match, I will very happy. I really like this player, I want to see him for 80 minutes!

Regards
 
sifplay said:
No. You are just too stupid to read properly.

Durban and Cape Town have different temperatures and go look up what elevation means. Wait let me help you out

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Now jog on. Your out of your league
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* you're, not your

You talk about altitude. Altitude, or elevation if you will, are terms used to measure the difference between a certain point and sea level.

Durban and Cape Town are both several meters above sea level. Now you start about temperatures. What happened to the Bulls having advantage from altitude in Pretoria but the Lions not having it in Jo'burg? What's the difference? Please, enlighten me.
 
Conrad Smith said:
This is the official team will start the game or is it just an assumption of yours? Because if Jan Serfontein will start the match, I will very happy. I really like this player, I want to see him for 80 minutes!

Regards
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This is the line-up for the match against Samoa, as released by SARU:

(no. of Bok Tests mentioned next to the names)

15 Willie le Roux (GWK Griquas), 2 caps
14 Bryan Habana (DHL Western Province), 85
13 JJ Engelbrecht (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 3
12 Jean de Villiers (captain, DHL Western Province), 86 / Jan Serfontein (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 2
11 Bjorn Basson (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 8
10 Morné Steyn (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 44
9 Ruan Pienaar (Ulster, N-Ireland), 65
8 Pierre Spies (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 52
7 Willem Alberts (The Sharks), 20 / Siya Kolisi (DHL Western Province), 1
6 Francois Louw (Bath, England), 18
5 Flip van der Merwe (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 25
4 Eben Etzebeth (DHL Western Province), 13
3 Jannie du Plessis (The Sharks), 44
2 Adriaan Strauss (Toyota FS Cheetahs), 23
1 Tendai Mtawarira (The Sharks), 43
Replacements:
16 Bismarck du Plessis (The Sharks), 47
17 Trevor Nyakane (Toyota FS Cheetahs), 2
18 Coenie Oosthuizen (Toyota FS Cheetahs), 3
19 Juandré Kruger (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 10
20 Siya Kolisi (DHL Western Province), 1 / Marcell Coetzee (The Sharks), 14
21 Piet van Zyl (Toyota FS Cheetahs), 1
22 Pat Lambie (The Sharks), 22
23 Jan Serfontein (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 2 / Juan de Jongh (DHL Western Province), 14
 
TRF_Ezequiel said:
* you're, not your

You talk about altitude. Altitude, or elevation if you will, are terms used to measure the difference between a certain point and sea level.

Durban and Cape Town are both several meters above sea level. Now you start about temperatures. What happened to the Bulls having advantage from altitude in Pretoria but the Lions not having it in Jo'burg? What's the difference? Please, enlighten me.
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Because Pretoria is warmer than JHB. Pretoria is like breathing tar. I was there for a year receiving police training. I shatted at PT first couple of weeks. Felt like someone who placed a plastic bag over my head.
 
So, it's temperature now? I think you are mistaking temperature for humidity. If anything, apart from altitude, affects the human body, it's humidity.

Pretoria's humidity is close to Holland's, while Jo'burg is a bit dry. Still, Jo'burg is higher than Pretoria, which cause people to struggle to breathe just as much as they would in Pretoria, meaning Samoa would struggle in Jo'burg, when playing the Lions as well. This time, however, Samoa have the advantage of getting used to playing at altitude bit by bit. Moving from Durban to Nelspruit and now Pretoria.

I personally, don't think the Springboks have the same advantage as they would if an opponent would come to SA for just 1 game.
 
Gents I stay in Centurion, almost midway between the two 25km from Loftus and 40Km from Ellis Park - there is very little difference in temperature, with Johannesburg slightly colder, minimum 2-3 degrees colder and Pretoria the same margin on the maximum side. This time of the year (early winter) is cold at night and in the mornings and pleasant in the day; far better playing conditions that most places on earth that plays rugby.
Saturday Pretoria will be 6 low and 21 high whereby Johannesburg will be 3 low and 19 high.
So this argument about Pretoria hotter and tougher is bull**** and not valid
In regards to altitude you do not feel the difference at all.

Professional touring team tend to train at the coast and fly up the day before as a fit body can last the 80minutes.
They stopped setting up camp at higher altitude as it had a worse effect on the training field over let's say a week

This is not an argument, just facts, go research it to your heart's desire
 
Just to throw a Samoan opinion into the works,

Samoa have their best chance ever to get one over SA this Saturday. The game will be determined by how SA decides to play. We all know that Samoa will bring the physical and the pace, the question is how will SA play? Will it be a 10 man game, dominated by forwards and kicking by the 9 and 10, or will they fight fire with fire. I hope its the latter as it will be an amazing spectacle. Lets hope, for Samoa's sake, that Lam pulls through as he was outstanding against Italy. The threats for SA will be out wide. Look for Leiua to sparkle again with his "rocket feet" and I hope Tuilagi and get more involved. The match up to watch will be in the loosies. Big ball runners/ tacklers on both sides, I think they will balance each other out. Pisi is playing well so SA will look to cut his space and time. Samoa should expect a tussle up front and their tight 5 will have to play out of their skins. Avei is amazing with the ball but scrum seemed a lot more settled with Ti'i Paulo in there late in the 2nd half.

Plenty of questions. Lets hope the Manu have the answers :)
 
I don't like that definition of "altitude", I find it morally reprehensible.
 
Conrad Smith said:
This is the official team will start the game or is it just an assumption of yours? Because if Jan Serfontein will start the match, I will very happy. I really like this player, I want to see him for 80 minutes!

Regards
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No, sorry; just my wish but Eze already let you know.
 
Here is Samoa's team for the Springboks. Great to see Jack Lam, Treviranus fit to play.

1 Loosehead Prop TAULAFO SAKARIA
2 Hooker AVEI WAYNE OLE
3 Tighthead Prop JOHNSTON CENSUS
... 4 Left Lock PAULO TEOFILO
5 Right Lock LEO DANIEL
6 Left Flanker TREVIRANUS OFISA
7 Right Flanker LAM JACK
8 Number Eight TUIFUA TAIASINA
9 Scrum Half SUA JEREMY
10 Fly Half PISI TUSIATA
11 Left Wing TUILAGI ALESANA
12 Left Centre LEOTA JOHN
13 Right Centre WILLIAMS PAUL (C )
14 Right Wing LEIUA ALAPATI
15 Full Back SOOIALO JAMES

REPLACEMENTS
16 Front Row Forward PAULO TII
17 Front Row Forward MULIPOLA LOGOVII
18 JOHNSTON JAMES
19 THOMPSON KANE
20 POLULEULIGAGA JUNIOR
21 VAAULU BRANDO
22 MAPUSUA SEILALA
23 FAOSILIVA ALAFOTI

Fa'amalosi Boys.
 
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aucklander said:
Here is Samoa's team for the Springboks. Great to see Jack Lam, Treviranus fit to play.

1 Loosehead Prop TAULAFO SAKARIA
2 Hooker AVEI WAYNE OLE
3 Tighthead Prop JOHNSTON CENSUS
... 4 Left Lock PAULO TEOFILO
5 Right Lock LEO DANIEL
6 Left Flanker TREVIRANUS OFISA
7 Right Flanker LAM JACK
8 Number Eight TUIFUA TAIASINA
9 Scrum Half SUA JEREMY
10 Fly Half PISI TUSIATA
11 Left Wing TUILAGI ALESANA
12 Left Centre LEOTA JOHN
13 Right Centre WILLIAMS PAUL (C )
14 Right Wing LEIUA ALAPATI
15 Full Back SOOIALO JAMES

REPLACEMENTS
16 Front Row Forward PAULO TII
17 Front Row Forward MULIPOLA LOGOVII
18 JOHNSTON JAMES
19 THOMPSON KANE
20 POLULEULIGAGA JUNIOR
21 VAAULU BRANDO
22 MAPUSUA SEILALA
23 FAOSILIVA ALAFOTI

Fa'amalosi Boys.
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The return of the best kicker is crucial for this game. Underdogs can't afford to waste points missing too many kicks, especially routine ones. They need a good performance from So'oialo and a good performance from referee John Lacey as well. Surprised Logovi'i Mulipola isn't starting ahead of Taulafo.

Springboks look beatable this past year, but under Meyer have an uncanny knack of playing crap but still winning, such as the England games last year, the November tour and and Scotland last week.

As has been mentioned though, the fact at altitude will add 10 metres range to the kickers, and will tire out players not used to it. More likely to benefit South Africa than Samoa. But it's hard to know the fitness levels of how the players will be effected and will be prepared for it.
 

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