June Internationals - South Africa vs. Samoa (22/06/2013)

[RWC2011Fan]

This game feels like it was years ago now.

 

[Sam Owen]

This game feels like it was years ago now.

Dont dwell on the past brother

 

[aucklander]

Samoa to claim their first victory over the Springboks.

Prediction Samoa 24, Springboks 17

It's going to a be one brutal game

 

[sifplay]

This game feels like it was years ago now.

Was that game played at Loftus? No
Huge difference. Just ask the Kiwi Super rugby teams going there every year

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I expect the Bokke to be up for it, especially after coming off a somewhat disappointing match last week. Not that it'll be easy though; I expect quite the opposite but do feel the Springboks go into this match as favourites and rightly so; if Samoa can forget the loss to the Lions then SA can forget the lacklustre win over Scotland being my reasoning.. that and the fact that we are at Loftus.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

It's Wedensday. It's past 12. I can't find the Bok line-up for Saturday. The week is RUINED!! I know we have to wait on JdV but still I feel like something has been taken away from me.

 

[Big Ewis]

won't be a blowout, but I can see SA coming up with a comfortable win.
No offense to Samoa, but to be perfectly realistic what happens to me a lot as I try to make predictions is I'll get carried away with the challenger/underdog and feel they'll continue on their high; believe they have a good chance of winning, and think they'll definitely come a few points short (if they do lose).

And then what actually happens is the big team gets rid of the underdog pretty easily, and we see the underdog struggle all over again through the match and just look like a totally different team...and that's when I, and many other ppl will go: "huh, what was I thinking ?! I guess that's why SA is SA and Samoa is Samoa..."

Most of the times the most mainstream/generally accepted cliché-like predictions are exactly the right ones !...and I've got to go with SA by 10/15.
I'd even give them more, but despite their good result against Italy (which is more due to Italy playing bad than SA being brilliant), and while overlooking their tough match against Scotland (more of Scotland playing great than SA being bad) - they haven't impressed me a lot this year. I'm not sold on the Boks.

 

[Bull]

Here you go
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Three-changes-to-Bok-pack-20130619

Kolisi <_<

 

[sifplay]

It's Wedensday. It's past 12. I can't find the Bok line-up for Saturday. The week is RUINED!! I know we have to wait on JdV but still I feel like something has been taken away from me.

Springboks Р15 Willie le Roux, 14 Bryan Habana, 13 JJ Engelbrecht, 12 Jean de Villiers (c)/Jan Serfontein, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Morn̩ Steyn, 9 Ruan Pienaar, 8 Pierre Spies, 7 Willem Alberts/Siya Kolisi, 6 Francois Louw, 5 Flip van der Merwe, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Jannie du Plessis, 2 Adriaan Strauss, 1 Tendai Mtawarira.
Subs: 16 Bismarck du Plessis, 17 Trevor Nyakane, 18 Coenie Oosthuizen, 19 Juandre Kruger, 20 Siya Kolisi/Marcell Coetzee, 21 Piet van Zyl, 22 Pat Lambie, 23 Jan Serfontein/Juan de Jongh.

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Here you go
http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Springboks/Three-changes-to-Bok-pack-20130619

Kolisi <_<

Yay, Kolisi!

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Thanks guys I'm very glad to see Flo back! Flip deserves his place in the start I am sad to say; not my favourite player (biggest understatement I've ever made?) but he did a lot more in the few minutes he was at the rucks than the other two locks combined. I see our props and halves combinations stay unchanged.. they don't deserve it IMO but I suppose they'll know more is expected of them and I hope they pay HM back for the faith shown in them. No surprises except maybe that Basson is retained..

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

Hein, how can you be miff about Kolisi while Spies is there? The former outplayed the latter in both tight and loose.

 

[sifplay]

Hein, how can you be miff about Kolisi while Spies is there? The former outplayed the latter in both tight and loose.

He likes to fck with players positions. Frankenstein players into positions. Expect him to turn talent into useless players by moving them to other positions. Specialty of them

 

[Bull]

I don't rate Kolisi at all, never have never will. Last year or the year before CJ Stander totally outplayed him and should have been rewarded, anyway no use crying over spilled milk. I'm not very fond of Flip but I can understand why he was included in this match. I don't understand the problem with Spies, yes there are games where he disappears, but tell me who else would you pick at 8? Alberts is injured more than he plays. Spies has done a good job this year as Bulls captain.

 

[Gena_ZA]

Was that game played at Loftus? No
Huge difference. Just ask the Kiwi Super rugby teams going there every year

Huge difference between Loftus and Ellis Park?? wicked

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

I don't rate Kolisi at all, never have never will. Last year or the year before CJ Stander totally outplayed him and should have been rewarded, anyway no use crying over spilled milk. I'm not very fond of Flip but I can understand why he was included in this match. I don't understand the problem with Spies, yes there are games where he disappears, but tell me who else would you pick at 8? Alberts is injured more than he plays. Spies has done a good job this year as Bulls captain.

Ahead of Spies at 8 I'd have (not including the injured Arno Botha, Alberts or Vermeulen); Kolisi, Stander or Joubert (surely we can look overseas with the amount of injuries we have at home).... essentially anyone other than Koetzer, Daniels or Cancowski (the 3 best Sharks loosies IMO are Botes, Alberts and Mtembu). I'm not trolling. Stander is a good player in my view too. The thing is its Spies blocking up the line at the Bulls that caused Stander to have to either move off or switch position. Kolisi is more a blindside or 8 IMO than an openside don't let the fact that WP play him there fool you; he has good hands, good pace and is extremely robust in contact; exactly what you want from your 8.

 

[Bull]

This has got nothing to do with provincialism. You're right Stander did leave because he didn't get game time while guys ahead of him didn't perform ie. Spies, Potgieters etc. Luckily Arno Botha got his chance now and he grabbed it with both hands. Don't even get me started on Daniel and Kankowski, good provincial players but that is where it ends. Marcell Coetzee really hasn't done enough this year to warrant his inclusion, flash in the pan comes to mind. I'd pick Kolisi in front of him. Maybe it's just me but Vermeulen never set the world alight, apart from the fact that I don't like the guy it always seems he is involved in more off the ball stuff than actually playing rugby, like that Tiaan Liebenberg paloeka.

I've never had an issue with picking overseas based players, this is where rugby needs to transform and become more like soccer.

 

[sifplay]

This has got nothing to do with provincialism. You're right Stander did leave because he didn't get game time while guys ahead of him didn't perform ie. Spies, Potgieters etc. Luckily Arno Botha got his chance now and he grabbed it with both hands. Don't even get me started on Daniel and Kankowski, good provincial players but that is where it ends. Marcell Coetzee really hasn't done enough this year to warrant his inclusion, flash in the pan comes to mind. I'd pick Kolisi in front of him. Maybe it's just me but Vermeulen never set the world alight, apart from the fact that I don't like the guy it always seems he is involved in more off the ball stuff than actually playing rugby, like that Tiaan Liebenberg paloeka.

I've never had an issue with picking overseas based players, this is where rugby needs to transform and become more like soccer.

Stander left because they wanted to convert him to hooker. Spies was a wing converted to no 8. Engelbrecht a wing to center. Hougaardt a wing to scrummie. Pollard a 10 to center. Cam you see the trend here? Now he is gone and selected Willie at 15.

 

[sifplay]

Huge difference between Loftus and Ellis Park?? wicked

Yes there is. Bulls got biggest advantage with the altitude. Reason why they build all the training colleges there of the Police and SANDF

 

[TRF_heineken]

Hein, how can you be miff about Kolisi while Spies is there? The former outplayed the latter in both tight and loose.

Where did I say that???