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France vs Ireland - 13/08/2011 RWC Warm up

Who'll win?

  • France

    Votes: 23 63.9%
  • Ireland

    Votes: 13 36.1%

  • Total voters
    36
  • Poll closed .
Lads at end of day I'd rather we get hammered and learn here than Kidney try win it picking winning combos etc we will use last 2 games to really do that and well I think he doing a good squad rotation. Last 2 games at home (and also Connacht game) will be when he starts wanting to win and build a little momentum.
 
Not a bad team. Would have preferred McFadden to start alongside Earls though. Paddy Wallace is guaranteed to be going on the plane, so I wonder why he's starting two games in a row.
Glad to see Cullen getting another start. The back row is maybe a bit weak, but it'll be interesting to see how it goes. Leamy was one of the better forwards last week and Ryan wasn't too bad and had a few decent carries, but it's probably not fair on McLaughlin either. O'Brien is nearly a bit wasted at 7 as he's usually much less effective there than at 6.

I think we've a decent chance of beating the French.
 
Not a bad team. Would have preferred McFadden to start alongside Earls though.
My hunch is that McFadden will get his chance at 12 at home to France, possibly alongside Earls. We know what O'Driscoll can do so there's no need to start him until the last game against England. That and the opening game of the World Cup against the USA give him more than enough time to shake off ring rust. Sexton will start the home game against France with O'Gara on the bench. Wallace will start at 10 against Connacht and be on the bench in the last game against England. That might be the best use of resources to ensure everybody is match fit for the major game in New Zealand.
 
My hunch is that McFadden will get his chance at 12 at home to France, possibly alongside Earls. We know what O'Driscoll can do so there's no need to start him until the last game against England. That and the opening game of the World Cup against the USA give him more than enough time to shake off ring rust. Sexton will start the home game against France with O'Gara on the bench. Wallace will start at 10 against Connacht and be on the bench in the last game against England. That might be the best use of resources to ensure everybody is match fit for the major game in New Zealand.
Snoop just on that point if Bowe is fit would he not be a better option at 13 to see how it goes. We all know Bowe is our best winger but our resources on the wing are all excellent and well Bowe in centre, while we loose our best winger, we have an International standard 13. Keith is a superb player and his favourite position is 13 but my fear is he struggled slightly at 13 for Munster but when he found his home on the wing his form really rocketed and well I've no doubt Keith can do well here but just fear his confidence could be hit.
 
I have a feeling Earls could switch with Trimble or Fitzgerald at some point in the game. Most likely Fitzy.
 
[h=1]The reason Leo Cullen should not go to New Zealand[/h]Saturday August 13 2011


Nobody ever made money by second-guessing Declan Kidney and this World Cup warm-up series is certainly not going to be a bonanza for punters. However, the man himself has made it clear that this week's selection is based on a plan decided before the warm-up campaign started, and he can hardly be blamed for that level of consistency.
First of all, the bad news remains the bad news. Brian O'Driscoll, Gordon D'Arcy and Stephen Ferris are clearly not yet fit enough to play a game of Test rugby and like Thomas the Apostle, we will not believe until we see them contesting the ball in the heat of battle.
The absence of the two front-rank centres demonstrates the paucity of choice available to Kidney. One shudders to think what might happen if Ireland were forced to rely on the second and third-ranked partnerships. Keith Earls cannot be happy, as versatility gets one on the plane but not a start in a Test match.
The same full-back and wings as last week are surprising, as was the coach's assessment of their performance. His opinion was that "the back three played well. When the ball was kicked back to them, they came back with a bit of purpose."
That is the kind of maddening statement to which Kidney is prone and makes one wonder if we were all watching the same match.
The big omission is David Wallace, while selecting Sean O'Brienat openside, where he cannot play, and moving Donnacha Ryan to number six while leaving Jamie Heaslip on the bench demonstrates an annoying inconsistency. Two games into the series and as yet there is no clear first-choice back-row appearing.
It is strange too that Paul O'Connell doesn't make a start as the side continues to be led by Leo Cullen. This could be make-or-break time for the stand-in leader as last week Cullen displayed -- even by his average standards -- a complete lack of dynamism. Looking at him, it is hard to believe that his formative years were at No 8.
The Rugby World Cup will be about the new game that more than ever resembles rugby league. Our primary opponents will play the game at a searing pace and the first improvement Ireland need today is a speeding up of thought and action.
Cullen should not go to New Zealand and that would be sad for one of the most honest players in the squad. Like Bob Casey, his former classmate at Blackrock [COLOR=#009900 !important]College[/COLOR], he is a set-piece performer rather than a breaker of gain lines.
In contrast, the much-maligned Marc Lievremont seems to have a clear idea of his team. This week's selection looks 20 points better than Ireland and the coach has promised to play a different XV in the return game. That is an awesome testament to the depth of the French squad.
Vincent Clerc has been named on the wing despite nursing a knee injury; with prop Fabien Barcella named 23rd man notwithstanding a bicep injury. Dimitri Szarzewski makes his first appearance since recovering from a ruptured Achilles tendon.
"We're impatient," admitted Lievremont when questioned over Barcella's inclusion on the bench.
Unlike Ireland, whose lack of depth makes kid-glove treatment vital for doubtful starters, the French will only go with their fittest performers to New Zealand. It has always been thus.
PURPOSE
It is important when watching these games to bear in mind their purpose. As it is almost certain that the coach has already decided on the bulk of the squad, these contests are not about selection. Strategy and game plans are being worked out on the training ground, so we will learn little in the coming weeks.
This is about measuring fitness to play and nothing else. In the case of the injured it's a final check-up and for the fit and well it's an opportunity to get to the pace of the game after a lay-off.
So far, there are more questions than answers. The position of Conor Murray is a case in point. Does a place on the bench mean he is a serious contender or filling up space? Surely he has to get meaningful game time this evening which may well be unfair on Eoin Reddan but does anyone doubt that the Leinster scrum-half will not go? Murray brings a lot to the table -- bar experience.
After all, it is not as if Ireland is awash with talent in the position.
Ireland will almost certainly lose in Bordeaux this evening. But I would be happy if there was an indication that a new star had arrived at scrum-half, that Ireland can get more than 40pc possession, and that Rob Kearney and his colleagues on the wings understand that kicking to them is an opportunity to attack.
Irish Independent
http://www.independent.ie/sport/rug...len-should-not-go-to-new-zealand-2847484.html

Is it just me or is the standard of rugby journalism in this country sinking!
 
6 minutes in and there's already been more excitement than the Wales/England match :D

France look in good form


Why is Trimble wearing one grip mitt?



Haha, these RTE commentators are well funny
"That's a brilliant hit by O'Gara" they say, as (in slow motion) it shows Harinordoquoy bouncing him completely and O'Gara not even touching him (other than where Hairydonkeys forearm smashed into him) :lol:





Clerc try - France playing some glorious rugby
 
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France are up 13 - 0 early on with a try by Clerc and an excellent penalty by Yachvili. Yachvili is still the country's best kicker.
 
Bloody hell, I go away for 20minutes and France are throwing this game away
 
Earls looks pretty good at centre and Conor Murray has been pretty decent at scrum half. This second half has definitely been an improvement from the first. Hope we get a try.
 
Without the tactical genius of Yachvili, France would not have won this match.
 
Earls looks pretty good at centre and Conor Murray has been pretty decent at scrum half. This second half has definitely been an improvement from the first. Hope we get a try.

Ah we didn't but we definitely improved once Heaslip and O'Connell came on. Thought Murray's pass was quick and he was solid. I didn't see the first 30 min due to tv problems but Wallace didn't play too badly although i thought McFadden and Earls played well together in the 2nd half. Was hoping Felix would make more of an impact but he didn't get too much ball. Also O'Brien should probably play 6, not too effective at the breakdown.
 
How did Steve Walsh manage to give that penalty to France in the scrum before Murray had put the ball in? Clear bit of early pushing from France surely. Can't complain too much about him though. Missed a few minor things from each side but otherwise he was fair.


Second half was encouraging. Murray looked sharp. As did Jones, Kearney, Earls, Heaslip and Trimble. We only have two props who can hold up a scrum. Paddy Wallace dubios decisions. Questionable match from Fitz again and lineout was **** in absence of both Flannery and O'Connell.

Also can't wait for Gaffney to be gone.
 
I watched the second half and it was an awful game

Ireland seem to have been involved in quite a few lately

by the way where has ROG been on holiday he has got mega sunburnt
 
Ireland shouldn't be too unhappy despite the loss, that France team was a lot closer to full strength than the Ireland team

with BOD, Heaslip, POC and Ferris back starting Ireland should win that type of match

note: please merge to my last post
 
Tony Buckle = Awful
Paddy Wallace = Awful
Rory Best = Awful
Luke Fitzgerald = Not good enough
Leo Cullen = poor
Donnacha Ryan = Not an international player

Everyone else was pretty meh.
 
Just seen all 3 matches today and I have to say the quality of the ref's was dreadful. Really bad, I hope they up there game before the WC. Missed so many obvious things, I have grown used to them being bad at scrumtime but they've been missing so much in general play lately.
 

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