England Post-WC discussion

[Crapspray]

The received wisdom that your 6 7 and 8 should always be the first to the breakdown would go out the window, though!

There would be no breakdown. Only wreckage.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Sod it how about
1) Vunipola
2) Cowan-dickie
3) Brookes
4) Gaskell
5) Beaumont
6) Vunipola
7) Hughes
8) Morgan

 

[Raggs]

Not sure about yesterday, but Hughes got 3 turnovers against Tigers, and at least 1 if not 2 against Quins. BV got 3-4 during the 2 playoffs last season. I reckon Hughes is faster than that front row (definitely over Hartley!).

 

[Peat]

Hughes definitely has gas from what I've seen. Morgan I've seen shift it on occasion. Vunipola is the only one whose pace I might question.

 

[valley commando]

Anybody seen this from BBC website-:

English rugby union is a "laughing stock" after Sam Burgess left Bath to return to rugby league, says former national coach Sir Clive Woodward.

Burgess, 26, made the decision having been part of the England squad which had a poor World Cup as hosts.

Woodward did not blame Burgess "for this mess" but said the English game was at one of its "all-time lows".

England rugby league coach Steve McNamara said Burgess "could've been one of the greats" had he stayed.

"The RFU has spent the last four years congratulating itself on the direction in which we're heading, but the truth is we have marched confidently into a total mess," said World Cup-winning coach Woodward in his column for the Daily Mail.

"We are the laughing stock of not only world rugby but also sport and business. The rest of the world says those involved in English rugby are arrogant. I hate this reputation, but that is exactly what the RFU has been.

"The saddest part is the players and fans have been let down. To get it right on the field of play you have to get it right off the field."

 

[Maverick1987]

Anyone seen this ?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/05/english-rugby-rfu-review-stuart-lancaster

 

[Mattybuck]

Very interesting from Dean Ryan, a coach that I have a great deal of respect for.

It would appear that some tough decisions need to be made.

 

[McTallshort]

Anybody seen this from BBC website-:

English rugby union is a "laughing stock" after Sam Burgess left Bath to return to rugby league, says former national coach Sir Clive Woodward.

Burgess, 26, made the decision having been part of the England squad which had a poor World Cup as hosts.

Woodward did not blame Burgess "for this mess" but said the English game was at one of its "all-time lows".

England rugby league coach Steve McNamara said Burgess "could've been one of the greats" had he stayed.

"The RFU has spent the last four years congratulating itself on the direction in which we're heading, but the truth is we have marched confidently into a total mess," said World Cup-winning coach Woodward in his column for the Daily Mail.

"We are the laughing stock of not only world rugby but also sport and business. The rest of the world says those involved in English rugby are arrogant. I hate this reputation, but that is exactly what the RFU has been.

"The saddest part is the players and fans have been let down. To get it right on the field of play you have to get it right off the field."

Yes we all saw it on the other thread you posted it on

 

[ncurd]

Yes we all saw it on the other thread you posted it on

And 3 days ago when the BBC posted it...just website fell apart and didn't feel like mentioning it when it came back.

 

[valley commando]

Anyone seen this ?

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2015/nov/05/english-rugby-rfu-review-stuart-lancaster

So Ryan definitely won't get the job

 

[Bada-Bing!]

So Ryan definitely won't get the job

Ryan doesn't want the job. He's already gone on record to say that. This article is his main reason for not wanting it, as he feels the England coach is being set up to fail because he has one hand tied behind his back.

 

[ratsapprentice]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As Sam Burgess leaves on a flight to Sydney, read his explosive views on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/rugby?src=hash">#rugby</a> union &amp; his abrupt exit, exclusively on <a href="https://twitter.com/MailSport">@MailSport</a> from 10.</p>&mdash; Chris Foy (@FoyChris) <a href="https://twitter.com/FoyChris/status/663827195144634368">November 9, 2015</a></blockquote>
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FFS

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Delayed till 11, the useless so & sos!
Was planning on getting an early night, but guess I'll stay up and watch last night's Homeland instead :lol:

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

That will def be something to read.

Like waiting for the last Harry Potter book!!!

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I wonder how explosive we are talking... Burgess seems to be doing a lot to destroy his reputation as a professional though the way this is going. Not many were blaming him before but it seems he is doing a lot to change that view.

 

[Patchey]

Making me give the Mail page views, dammit!

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Don't waste your time, it's a whole load of ****ing nothing.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Crap crap crap

Usual PR crap.

 

[ncurd]

Boo hoo

So essentially he left because it was going to take time and effort to cracking the union game (like every armchair fan like myself said it would take) and wasn't an instant superstar. Thus his heart wasn't really in it. Yeah couldn't give a crap about that he barely played for 11 months and basically wasted the time of every person in union he came in ntact with because of it. Essentially all he ever wanted was to play in a home world cup.

Don't blame him for the world cup loss do blame him for the mess he's created we lost a class act in Fearns over him and we're now probably back rower short for the rest if te season. Plus I just don't like the guy anymore as this entire thing feels like a league is better than union vanity project.

 

[McTallshort]

He missed his mummy! (plus the several £1000 the thick **** lost on the stock market)