England v South Africa - 16/11/2024 (17.40)

[AlRums]

Possibly, but if it was a real issue the first place you'd expect to see it is in defence and against both the Boks and NZ we only conceded 10 in the second half - which we'd probably have taken before kick off.

Against Aus we conceded 22 in the second half, but still scored 19 so it's not like we were totally out on our knees.

That we didn't score after the 60th minute NZ or 52nd v Aus is hugely disappointing. Fatigue may have contributed to some mistakes, but for me it's a peripheral factor to several others.

You scored 3 tries after the 52nd minute v Aus

 

[Booboobang]

Just rewatching the game and it's pretty obvious in this game as in the last game that England's fitness levels are not where they should be. They always fade on the last 20 and that's nothing to do with Smith/Ford etc it's down to fitness and that needs to improve.

Also got to add that the Saffas are stacked from 1to 50 not just 1 to 23.

That's where England are weak. We have a decent 15 but a pretty crap 23. Not much point having players on the bench if they don't make an impact.

Oh and yes I agree, Genge is overrated

I think this is one of the biggest dings on borthwick, those players exist in our player pool, he actively chooses not to select them. Ted hill or tom willis would make much more of an impact than dombrandt, dan cole at this point, and I think he is a great bloke, is offering nothing, weak in the scrum nothing around the park and so it goes on and on....

 

[Saintjay]

Throwing to the front on five lineouts in the opponents 22 was more of an issue. Leaving SA to put there best forwards at the back in defence and able to use the touch as a defender.
For SB being a lineout guru that was poor. Especially with fresh players off the bench.

As for the ability to take restarts and box kick. As usual we look really slow to adapt to what's going on field In play. A problem as old as time when it comes to England.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I think this is one of the biggest dings on borthwick, those players exist in our player pool, he actively chooses not to select them. Ted hill or tom willis would make much more of an impact than dombrandt, dan cole at this point, and I think he is a great bloke, is offering nothing, weak in the scrum nothing around the park and so it goes on and on....

The the inexplicable cold shoulder he seems determined to give Underhill.

 

[Booboobang]

The the inexplicable cold shoulder he seems determined to give Underhill.

100%, despite the fact sam has been one of the consistently good england players, he was just dropped, for a player coming back from a serious injury without much time in his legs. The players he chooses loyalty to and the ones he ignores is alarming.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Underhill is also just back from injury and has played less this season than Curry has, tbf