[England] Post-6N/Pre-RWC Player Watch

[ratsapprentice]

Men are from Mars etc.

 

[j'nuh]

As an aside, does anyone know why you always see police officers in pairs of the same gender? It seems like that would be counter productive if they wanted to comfort, search, whatever, someone of a different gender- maybe they just go round with their friends?

It would just be a logistical nightmare to implement such a thing.

Also, people have the right to be searched by someone of the same sex. I guess they would just have to call another police officer over.

 

[yaboyjj]

Oh good job Tuilagi, what a pillock.

Everytime I hope that Burrell is surplus to requirements, someone else gets injured or banned

....all aboard the Sam Hill bandwagon... choo choo

 

[Peat]

People are saying that allowing people who have been indisciplined out of camp into camp without punishment will create further indiscipline. But that never hurt Wales' performance with Philips. Or Savea with New Zealand. Or probably no end of other sporting environments. England's 2011 WC isn't a like-for-like comparison, as they were all in camp problems, and Tuilagi's done this out of camp.

It would be foolish to say there's no link between indiscipline and poor performance, but it doesn't automatically follow. Which is what I'm solely getting at here. Strong management can and will establish a break between disruptive behaviour outside the environment and performance within.

So I'm not seeing any benefit to the England rugby team's performance here and now. In return we give up one of our best players at a supposedly critical juncture. That strikes me as a very poor trade. We have basically sacrificed one of our best players for the Moral and PR good of the England rugby as a whole, insofar as I can see, and that might be a good thing but it's an entirely separate argument from the one I'm pursuing. In any case, Tommi has a point that not every nation would do this - we are being different. And maybe that's good, and maybe that's not, but either way that definitely seems to be the way it is.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I think the length is about right at 23 he prob needs this to be harsh.

Daly in according to fissler.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Barritt for me, I guess...

Same for me, and by quite some distance.

I really wanted to see Manu tried there, but he's made his bed.

 

[McTallshort]

He should have claimed it was an anti Tory protest and the guardian would have been calling him a hero.....

Joking aside the blokes a Pratt and last time I watched him playing for tigers he was picking fights with everyone before he got subbed hope he grows up or he will end up just another drunken rugby idiot like Powell or Henson

 

[Gavin]

Manu is lucky. Any assault on a police officer is thought to be a serious offence. The fact as he pled at MC and was sentenced there to a fine would suggest it wasn't too serious for the judges as usually they would have been committed to Crown.

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

And now there will be yet more bloody publicity for "sports psychologists" telling us that all professional athletes are essentially monkey-chimp-repressed-child-lunatics who need to be nurtured and counseled- all at a reasonable price, of course.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Manu is lucky. Any assault on a police officer is thought to be a serious offence. The fact as he pled at MC and was sentenced there to a fine would suggest it wasn't too serious for the judges as usually they would have been committed to Crown.

It was assault by beating.

Which means didn't cause injury.

As BBC article says he prob pushed them both.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

People are saying that allowing people who have been indisciplined out of camp into camp without punishment will create further indiscipline. But that never hurt Wales' performance with Philips. Or Savea with New Zealand. Or probably no end of other sporting environments. England's 2011 WC isn't a like-for-like comparison, as they were all in camp problems, and Tuilagi's done this out of camp.

It would be foolish to say there's no link between indiscipline and poor performance, but it doesn't automatically follow. Which is what I'm solely getting at here. Strong management can and will establish a break between disruptive behaviour outside the environment and performance within.

So I'm not seeing any benefit to the England rugby team's performance here and now. In return we give up one of our best players at a supposedly critical juncture. That strikes me as a very poor trade. We have basically sacrificed one of our best players for the Moral and PR good of the England rugby as a whole, insofar as I can see, and that might be a good thing but it's an entirely separate argument from the one I'm pursuing. In any case, Tommi has a point that not every nation would do this - we are being different. And maybe that's good, and maybe that's not, but either way that definitely seems to be the way it is.

I think it's more the mentality Lancaster wants to promote which is no tolerance for any stupid stuff by any players on or off the pitch. He looks at more than just the coaching, he is trying to also foster a team that are good role models and that English fans can be proud to follow. I think he has done a fantastic job with that, I don't think England have been this popular both inside and outside England for years. A fair few of Englands traditional rivals (French, Scottish, Irish, Welsh, Australians, South Africans and New Zealanders) have started to begrudingly admit there isn't much to dislike about England any more, except for the fact they are English.

 

[Gavin]

It was assault by beating.

Which means didn't cause injury.

As BBC article says he prob pushed them both.

The article I read (planetrugby) said he punched them in the stomach, though a push to the stomach is considered the same as a punch but depends on the force.

Assault by beating means there was some point of physical assault and violence.

 

[yaboyjj]

He grabbed a taxi driver by the throat, kicked his wing mirror and then pushed away a police officer whilst they were trying to handcuff him.

 

[Horacito]

Didn't you have problems of this kind in 2011? wasn't that the reason why Jonny took the exit?

Anyway, Tuilagi has been a prick for years, he even punched Chris Ashton and they play the same nationa team...

 

[Jbobo]

Tuilagi is and always has been a thug. I'm gutted he won't be going to the RWC though, as he poses little danger to teams that have a decent defense.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

The article I read (planetrugby) said he punched them in the stomach, though a push to the stomach is considered the same as a punch but depends on the force.

Assault by beating means there was some point of physical assault and violence.

Personally I trust the BBC reporter over Planet rugby.

Assult by beating means physical assault (usually push upwards) without causing injury. Causing injury moves it up to ABH.

 

[Gavin]

Personally I trust the BBC reporter over Planet rugby.

Assult by beating means physical assault (usually push upwards) without causing injury. Causing injury moves it up to ABH.

We have people up in court who caused assault by beating were physical violence is committed. ABH is a more serious form

 

[Jbobo]

If there was no physical violence, it would be assault regardless. Threat in enough

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

We have people up in court who caused assault by beating were physical violence is committed. ABH is a more serious form

Yes but assault by beating also covers pushing look it up.

Assault is a vague term and assault by beating is also a vague term.

ABH is causing injury or harm.

 

[Gavin]

Yes but assault by beating also covers pushing look it up.

Assault is a vague term and assault by beating is also a vague term.

ABH is causing injury or harm.

As someone who works in the courts I am just giving the general cases who come to me with assault by beating and there is violence. Funnily enough I will be able to read the CPS papers on Monday at work.