A Political Thread pt. 2

[ncurd]

Errr.... what have you seen? What have I missed?

Is it the Labour candidate? My understanding is that he's been suspended whilst the gambling commission investigate - which given that Labour are hoping to make hay whilst the Tories take no action on actual gambling fraud, is harsh, but fair. Suspension whilst under investigation is pretty standard; and not doing so would absolutely draw the "see they're all the same" for those lazy floating voters and right wing press (see Starmer's legal beer versus Boris's multiple illegal parties).

Ed Davey placing a bet on how well the Lib Dems would do back in 2010.

EDIT: And my complaint was definitely about lazy voters and right wing press.

 

[Reiser99]

Tbh, while Davey may not have known how many seats the Lib Dems would get, he certainly would have had more knowledge about polling and the state of affairs than most average people would. Tbh, if it involves your job then you shouldn't gamble on it, especially politics, because there will always be that doubt surrounding it. I'd blanket ban politicians or anyone involved from betting on elections or anything politically related.

 

[ncurd]

Sunak trying to turn question on gambling on tax rises don't think people will like him changing the question.

 

[General Melchett]

Sounds like it's kicking off outside the studio. Maybe it's the prisoners who have just been released early due to overcrowding.

 

[Saintjay]

Sounds like it's kicking off outside the studio. Maybe it's the prisoners who have just been released early due to overcrowding.

Or Rob Howley wanting to know why he couldn't put a bet on Wales losing.

 

[ncurd]

Fuuuuuckkkk shots fired with that put down as he was interrupted.

That was almost Jed Bartlet debate levels

 

[ncurd]

Need to stop accepting the premise that asylum seekers are illegal migrants.

 

[General Melchett]

Sunak accusing Starmer of "defending free movement" as if it was illegal or connected to the boats.

 

[ncurd]

I don't know why Sunak keep along taxes on every quesrion. He might win some Reform voters on it but reality is most people want services to work and he hasn't said how he'd do that at all.

Asshole questions of some who just wanted to gob off at the two of them.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

reality is most people want services to work and he hasn't said how he'd do that at all.

I agree but they also don't want their taxes to go up either. That's where both main parties aren't being honest with the electorate because the electorate doesn't want to hear it.

 

[ncurd]

I agree but they also don't want their taxes to go up either. That's where both main parties aren't being honest with the electorate because the electorate doesn't want to hear it.

I think people might be more open to higher taxes than either party want to admit. Provided they see an improvement on services.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

I think people might be more open to higher taxes than either party want to admit. Provided they see an improvement on services.

Take what both parties are saying in their manifestos - no tax rises. But the Tories have frozen thresholds until 2028. That in itself is a tax rise, because those big pay rises peeps got just dragged them into higher rates.

Also, the lack of talk on social care in this election. See what happened when May got herself in a right pickle back in 2017 and no doubt suffered in that election.

 

[Saintjay]

I think people might be more open to higher taxes than either party want to admit. Provided they see an improvement on services.

Not so sure, cost of living, sky high rents, ten fold increase in food banks, young people can't save enough to get mortgages. Child poverty and the two child benefits limit. Middle to low income familes are squeezed to death.

 

[Amiga500]

Very slippery slope in my opinion, we've had politicians who have been killed in recent years and it's no wonder when views like the above are championed.

Firstly, and this might be pedantic, but she's not genocidal, even if you agree that Isreal is committing a genocide (which to me is silly as it's not really grasping that highly specialised intent that is necessary when defining genocide) it's not her doing it so it would be more apt to say "genocide supporting"

I detest Braverman but shouting stuff like that at her in front of her kids does nothing but make politics more toxic in this country which is what people like Braverman feed off. Don't give them the satisfaction. Explain you arguments and why she is wrong in a non aggressive way if you feel you must.

Nope - false equivalence there.

Braverman would happily have thousands of people deported into conditions where a premature death is almost inevitable - and would do it with a smile on her face.

I'd assume your referring to the murder of Jo Cox - who was killed by someone (Thomas Mair) who'd also happily have thousands of the same people deported into conditions where a premature death is almost inevitable. And be delighted at it.

Ironically, for one being a Neo-Nazi and the other a hardcore Zionist - their views on lots of things would probably be shockingly aligned.


Its also clear that attempting to talk to the likes of Braverman in a reasonable debate is a waste of time. Look at Sunak vs. Starmer, or Boris vs. anyone. They'll not change their position one iota - and will happily blatantly lie away or cherry pick stats that are utterly misleading to make their case. So what's the alternatives? Probably one of the more palatable ones is shocking them into looking at themselves in the mirror.

If the political classes ever wonder why so many people have lost faith in politics - its their inability to actually listen, absorb and react to what they are being told. Talking over someone's perfectly legitimate point and utterly disregarding it without any thought to it is the modus operandi of politicians these days.


One of the most obvious examples - Tony Blair's little war in Iraq. How many million protested against it before war was declared? Did Blair listen? Clearly whatever "evidence" they had was dodgy as f*k and you could see through the tracing paper it was written on! Weighing one against the other and clearly there was not sufficient justification to override the will of the people.

 

[Which Tyler]

So... this happened overnight...
Attempted military coup in Bolivia by an upset ex-general, apparently failed after crowds took to the streets to oppose them.
Bolivia has Lithium, so of course, everyone's assuming CIA (or at least, Musk$) involvement.

 

[Reiser99]

Unused PPE worth £1.4bn was 'stored inappropriately'

Full Support Healthcare says its products were not unloaded from the shipping containers.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yep, the Tories can certainly be trusted to use public money properly.

 

[ncurd]

Not so sure, cost of living, sky high rents, ten fold increase in food banks, young people can't save enough to get mortgages. Child poverty and the two child benefits limit. Middle to low income familes are squeezed to death.

But none of that stuff is free so you're either raising taxes or increasing borrowing.

Plus 1-2% extra tax has very little impact.

Personally I'd allow fiscal drag to continue on the 40% rate for a few years, keeping the 20% rate in line with inflation (I've nothing against that to protect pensions I just disagree with triple lock it should just rise with inflation) as well as closing. Introduce a 50% rate starting at minimum 100k. And close a lot of close tax loopholes and treat capital gains as income except for primary homes which should always be exempt.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

So... this happened overnight...
Attempted military coup in Bolivia by an upset ex-general, apparently failed after crowds took to the streets to oppose them.
Bolivia has Lithium, so of course, everyone's assuming CIA (or at least, Musk$) involvement.

Pretty safe assumption though

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Plus 1-2% extra tax has very little impact.

It has little impact until someone repeats that reasoning a few times.

 

[ncurd]

It has little impact until someone repeats that reasoning a few times.

Which is why I'd target higher income earners rather than the bottom rate or VAT. My point was merely a fear of increase shouldn't spook people.

Oh yeah I'd abolish National Insurance as well but increase Income Tax. (National Insurance is a nonsense that mainly targets low income PAYE people).