A Political Thread pt. 2

[Lé Ddanno]

Mordaunt's vid apparently features convicted murderer Oscar Pistorius. As you do.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Moved to tech thread.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Boris Johnson resignation: Sajid Javid says prayer meeting moved him to quit

The Tory leadership candidate says a sermon on integrity moved him to quit Boris Johnson's cabinet.

www.bbc.co.uk

Hands up all those who don't believe a word of it.

 

[Which Tyler]

Well, we've finally found someone who's offended at being accused of being a nice person.
On the other hand, no surprise that it's a Tory leadership candidate... Well, surprise that any of them would be accused of such a thing, I guess.

Penny Mordaunt edits leadership campaign video after complaints

Paralympian Jonnie Peacock had publicly asked to be removed from video, which also originally featured Oscar Pistorius

www.theguardian.com

ETA, I see they've changed the headline and intro, was originally:
"Penny Mordaunt hits back at work tag asshe joins leadership race"
"Trade minister addresses trans issue, saying opponents 'want to damage my reputation' "

 

[Bada-Bing!]

 

[Which Tyler]

Teacher spots 18 grammatical errors in new Education Secretary's statement

This is a level of pettiness we can dig: An English teacher gave a grammatical middle-finger to Education Secretary Andrea Jenkyns this week.

www.thelondoneconomic.com

 

[ncurd]

Good plan by Starmer's essentially soft launching his policy platform during the Tory leadership contest. The focus for much of his leadership has been the Pandemic and taking down Johnson for who he was. The next stage is always going to be what make him (and the party) not a Red Tory.

 

[ncurd]

Anyone know a reason to not admire Chris Bryant? Seams pretty in select committees, parliament and in public sphere.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Anyone know a reason to not admire Chris Bryant? Seams pretty in select committees, parliament and in public sphere.

It's the usual Tory schizophrenia, do something and then campaign on reversing what they did whilst pretending they weren't the ones to do it. For full details see Brexit deals, cuts to the police, cuts to NHS, increasing the deficit etc etc.

 

[Reiser99]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-62115347?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62cbcba2c5f5c122c9fc2704%26Zahawi%3A%20I%27m%20being%20smeared%20over%20my%20finances%262022-07-11T08%3A12%3A16.406Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:89fa8c45-6d8a-4b61-8934-e548e3b405d5&pinned_post_asset_id=62cbcba2c5f5c122c9fc2704&pinned_post_type=share

Nadhim Zahawi says he is being smeared over the tax investigation and would publish future tax returns as prime minister, but he won't publish his previous tax returns even though he apparently had nothing to hide.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-politics-62115347?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=62cbcba2c5f5c122c9fc2704%26Zahawi%3A%20I%27m%20being%20smeared%20over%20my%20finances%262022-07-11T08%3A12%3A16.406Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:89fa8c45-6d8a-4b61-8934-e548e3b405d5&pinned_post_asset_id=62cbcba2c5f5c122c9fc2704&pinned_post_type=share

Nadhim Zahawi says he is being smeared over the tax investigation and would publish future tax returns as prime minister, but he won't publish his previous tax returns even though he apparently had nothing to hide.

Tax as I say, not as I do. Just what the country needs, another massive hypocrite setting rules for us they are happy to bypass themselves.

 

[Amiga500]

Of course, nothing to see here... move along

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Shinzo Abe killing: Hideo Kojima threatens to sue over false posts

Pictures falsely linking the Metal Gear creator to the killing in Japan were spread online.

www.bbc.co.uk

And I thought after they pictured the killer there wouldn't be an conspiracy theories/false information.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Good plan by Starmer's essentially soft launching his policy platform during the Tory leadership contest. The focus for much of his leadership has been the Pandemic and taking down Johnson for who he was. The next stage is always going to be what make him (and the party) not a Red Tory.

This is interesting but a little risky, no?

What's this all about anyway? I assume Private Schools get a lot of investment through its "charitable status" ***le or something and the plan is to remove this so that Private schools no longer receive that or is it to redirect it to state schools and if so how do you do that?

I say risky as generally, it seems to me, that the concept of private schools are still pretty popular and any messing about with that isn't going to necessarily sway the voters they need. I know he's not saying abolish private schools in those quotes or nothing but still risky imo.

Will be interesting to see this fleshed out more later.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

This is interesting but a little risky, no?

What's this all about anyway? I assume Private Schools get a lot of investment through its "charitable status" ***le or something and the plan is to remove this so that Private schools no longer receive that or is it to redirect it to state schools and if so how do you do that?

I say risky as generally, it seems to me, that the concept of private schools are still pretty popular and any messing about with that isn't going to necessarily sway the voters they need. I know he's not saying abolish private schools in those quotes or nothing but still risky imo.

Will be interesting to see this fleshed out more later.

Don't see how private schools function as charities though. They have exclusive requirements to access the services if you don't pay for them and function for profit. There may be the odd one that functions like a charity but the vast majority are run as businesses, so why treat them as if they aren't? Call a spade a spade, they are businesses offering a service for profit and we are in weird times where proposing to treat for profit businesses as for profit businesses is somehow a dodgy policy.

I'll give you a clue: most of the leaders are privately educated and, as with Oxbridge, they use their position to pass favours back to maintain that old school tie.

 

[Welsh Exile]

Don't see how private schools function as charities though. They have exclusive requirements to access the services if you don't pay for them and function for profit. There may be the odd one that functions like a charity but the vast majority are run as businesses, so why treat them as if they aren't? Call a spade a spade, they are businesses offering a service for profit and we are in weird times where proposing to treat for profit businesses and for profit businesses is somehow a dodgy policy.

I'll give you a clue: most of the leaders are privately educated and, as with Oxbridge, they use their position to pass favours back to maintain that old school tie.

Yeah it's absolutely mental to me that they aren't. I honestly would get rid of them altogether but I accept that's not exactly practical from a political point of view but this at least sounds like a good, strong step in the right direction.

 

[General Melchett]

I reckon Zahawi is toast and will be the shortest reigning Chancellor in history. He seemed very unconvincing when asked about his tax affairs this morning and also agreed to be Johnson's Chancellor before telling him to resign 24 hours later. Whoever wins will probably get rid of him and appoint one of their cronies as Chancellor.

 

[ncurd]

This is interesting but a little risky, no?

What's this all about anyway? I assume Private Schools get a lot of investment through its "charitable status" ***le or something and the plan is to remove this so that Private schools no longer receive that or is it to redirect it to state schools and if so how do you do that?

I say risky as generally, it seems to me, that the concept of private schools are still pretty popular and any messing about with that isn't going to necessarily sway the voters they need. I know he's not saying abolish private schools in those quotes or nothing but still risky imo.

Will be interesting to see this fleshed out more later.

It'll mainly annoy a certain group of voters name those upper-middle-class who care their school is a slight bit cheaper. It'll also annoy the incredibly small smattering of parents who actually do benefit from how the schools gain their charitable status.

Reality if these things were genuinely run as charities lots more kids from under privileged backgrounds would be able to go to them and they don't. It tends to be middle class kids who parents know the system but can't quite afford to buy into it normally.

People who care about private schools in this way are extremely unlikely to vote Labour regardless of their stance.

The vast majority of parents have kida who go to state schools and they care far more about that.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

I don't mind private schools in general.

I don't like how they poach all the best state school teachers without fair compensation.

Using them to help step up state funding is imo the correct call. Reality is get rid of them and the people who can afford to pay it will just send them abroad, soft tax them and help fund elsewhere

 

[ncurd]

I don't like how they poach all the best state school teachers without fair compensation.

My friends who went to private schools that have spoken about it tend to say this is less of the problem (and their parents were the teachers). Its not really the teachers are better but the smaller class sizes combined with not being strapped for cash in terms of facilities/procurement meant the quality of education the teachers could provide was much higher.


This said my English teacher for GCSE's took me from a predicted D to an actual B in English Lit. He was ex private school but I don't know if that was because he was great or just because instead of being low-set and getting a stand in Art teacher for English for 3 years and getting an actual full time English teacher made the real difference.