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[2017 Rugby Championship] Round 6: South Africa v New Zealand (07/10/2017)

What a game. What a try by DMac (this won the game, not the red card or penalty).
I think the NZ reserve 10 took a dive. He bought that red card with some acting, should be ashamed.
 
What a game. What a try by DMac (this won the game, not the red card or penalty).
I think the NZ reserve 10 took a dive. He bought that red card with some acting, should be ashamed.

Nah. It wasn't acting. He didn't roll around on the ground etc. RSA fans can blame one person for this loss and that is De Allende .
 
It really wasn't. The guy tackled him late and (I think) De Allende is a bigger guy. I mean, even if the red wasn't deserved, it was definitely a late tackle and that is 110% a penalty kick worthy infringement. De Allende, through one massive brain snap, cost RSA this game.
 
It really wasn't. The guy tackled him late and (I think) De Allende is a bigger guy. I mean, even if the red wasn't deserved, it was definitely a late tackle and that is 110% a penalty kick worthy infringement. De Allende, through one massive brain snap, cost RSA this game.
Yeah whatever. He barely touched him. It seems as if you're fishing for reaction, will be on my ignore list from now on.
 
Yeah whatever. He barely touched him. It seems as if you're fishing for reaction, will be on my ignore list from now on.

I'm not fishing for a reaction. It was late, it was high. That's a penalty kick.

For reference, I think you guys outplayed NZ massively.
 
Wow! What a game!

I really didn't think we'd had it in us to compete against the AB's, let alone nearly beating them. It's just a pity that in the past few years, we seem to always play like this the very last game of the tournament. Why can't we play like this every game?

I thought Kitshoff, Marx, Etzebeth, PSDT and Serfontein were the boks standout performers.

First, let me start with the negative. Elton Jantjies again cost us the game. The third charge down of the tournament against him, and this time leading to a dubious try. Also, why did EJ play so deep?? our setup was a pod of forwards, and then they pass back to Elton way back behind the pod and then Elton distributes the ball from there, but all that did was made the All Blacks press forward, and get us behind the advantage line, and then our forwards had to do the hard yards again to get over the advantage line. Look how potent we can be when a fly half attacks the gain line, like Pollard did.

Now that first try, and maybe @smartcooky could help here. At Halftime, Nick Mallett said that he got a call from Mark Lawrence (SA Rugby Referees boss) and Lawrence said that it shouldn't have been a try. based on the replays, Crotty touched the ball with his forearm (which made him take control of the ball) then lose possession, while diving forwards, and than falling on the ball with his stomach. Now according to Lawrence, Crotty lost possession of the ball and therefore there had to be a 5m scrum instead of a try.

Also, I thought Garces did rather well in the match, I thought the TMO and the advice given by Poite however, was not that good.

Now onto the game. It was clearly a strategy with PSDT to run at the All Blacks and as soon as he's tackled, to release the ball, pick it up and go again. And he gained massive yards doing that, and exploiting that the All Blacks make tackles, and then immediately release the player. I think this is something the NH teams should take note of ahead of the EOYT, as it's one area where we exploited the AB's defensive frailties.

Another area was the rucks, and here Malcolm Marx was massive, it seems like the AB's with their attacking pods have a few rucks where they swarm the breakdown area, and then they have one or two where they don't swarm it, to create an overlap, and that is where Marx pounced. He was hanging back and as soon as he saw players like Whitelock, Read and Coles join the backline, he went in to steal the ball. and it happened every time in our own 22.

I'm so proud of our boys, to get smashed by 57 points, to come back and nearly beat the same team in a matter of 3 weeks is a massive turnaround. And I hope that we can take confidence out of this ahead of the EOYT.

Oh, did I mention that Damian De Allende is a cnut?
 
Anyone have any feedback on Pollard?

Well, he failed the concussion test during the game, but there isn't any more news. In fact, there's no news on any of the Springbok players and the potential injuries. My guess is that they will all be assessed today before being either released back to their unions for Currie Cup duty, or to have a rest ahead of the EOYT.
 
DDA does not belong in the bok squad anyway the ref just helped him off the field , there is other options way better options and subbing Jan was just stupid . Kriel also offers nothing #13 as i have stated before we have the players not the coach to challenge the all blacks , the guys played with pride yes but thats not enough and we wont be able to play like that every game ans the AB's was playing a dead rubber , a good game it was but not a true reflection of where we really stand vs the AB's
 
Now that first try, and maybe @smartcooky could help here.

On the coverage we got here in Oz, I clearly heard the TMO saying that the ball was knocked backwards initially and then grounded with the torso. I rocked the replay a few times and I can see what he meant. Its one that could have gone either way, but that is the way the TMO saw it hence the decision.

I think the NZ reserve 10 took a dive.

Given that you are the only person here or anywhere else I have heard suggest that, I think its unlikely and unfair - certainly not how I saw it and implying he cheated is a pretty outrageous claim.

I think there is some argument about whether it should have been RC or YC, (not that it really mattered seeing it was at about 74minutes), it was late, it was reckless, and if it was contact with elbow to head its a correct call as a RC. They spent a lot of time discussing where the initial contact was, I think they may have got it wrong but either way it was an act of stupidity.
 
Thought the Blacks rather got out of gaol with that effort. Couple of tries from never never (kick to the blacks) land, plus one try that was dubious at best. This downward pressure after a knock on of sorts is malarky. Crotty clearly never had control of the ball*1, yet him, and many players before him, have been rewarded with tries. Wasn't abundantly clear he even had contact with the grounded ball*2 after his knock on. *3

Oh dear, wrong on three counts

*1. There is no Law of the Game that requires "control". If you think there is, find it and post it.

*2. It was clear and obvious that he had contact with the grounded ball. Perhaps you have forgotten this Law (or more likely, you didn't know it)

22.1 GROUNDING THE BALL
There are two ways a player can ground the ball:
(b) Player presses down on the ball. A player grounds the ball when it is on the ground in the

in-goal and the player presses down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of
the player's body from waist to neck inclusive.

*3. It was not a knock on. He knocked the ball straight down, if anything, slightly backwards; certainly not forwards. What counts is the direction it travels after he touches the ball until it touches the ground, not where the ball touches the ground in relation to his body.

On the coverage we got here in Oz, I clearly heard the TMO saying that the ball was knocked backwards initially and then grounded with the torso. I rocked the replay a few times and I can see what he meant. Its one that could have gone either way, but that is the way the TMO saw it hence the decision.

Yep, exaclty.

In order for that try to be disallowed, you must see the ball clearly and obviously knocked forward. It is certainly no further forward than straight down.

PS: are you the same galumay who posts at rugbyrefs.com?
 
Very good game. I kept waiting for the point where the All Blacks would capitalize on a mistake and runaway with the score but our players showed great dedication.
EJ missed a tackle which led to a try. Shows how one individual mistake can cost your team. Players are taught to trust the guy next to them. If they don't then they will rush in to cover their own team mates channel and then leave gaps elsewhere on the field.
Although i still feel the Springbok team deserved the flak they got after the Albany game they really stepped up their game for this one game atleast. ( maybe the criticism helped them produce this.) But in the end we should remember that we have a goal of reaching number one and we just lost a game at home. We can be more optimistic regarding our future but still lots of improvement needed.
 
What a game. What a try by DMac (this won the game, not the red card or penalty).
I think the NZ reserve 10 took a dive. He bought that red card with some acting, should be ashamed.

Normally, I agree with your posts Lourens, but not today (but I agree that RC was an incorrect decision)

de Allende makes absolutly no attempt to pull up short. He took two clear steps after Sopoaga kicked the ball, lined him up never taking his eyes off him, then brought his forearm up into the throat of Sopoaga.

That is a yellow card all day long, and three times on Sunday!
 
No they haven't, they've just released athe normal statement covering the judiciary decision. With the judiciary decision not 100% matching the I fiend decision, that's pretty normal.

That's not 'criticism'. (Although the true meaning of the word criticism is any feedback whether positive or negative, but that's no longer it's every day usage)

Semantics. Its not that Garces was right - he just wasn't wrong. He issued the red card based on the available replay footage and in terms of breach of Law10.4(o) "Late charging the kicker".

The SANZAAR foul play review found that the incident only came close to warranting a red card, and therefore a warning equivalent to a yellow card has been issued instead.

Happiness is quibbling over lexical implication and inference. Yippee!
 
Normally, I agree with your posts Lourens, but not today (but I agree that RC was an incorrect decision)

de Allende makes absolutly no attempt to pull up short. He took two clear steps after Sopoaga kicked the ball, lined him up never taking his eyes off him, then brought his forearm up into the throat of Sopoaga.

That is a yellow card all day long, and three times on Sunday!

yup. I can't see why DDA is the innocent victim here. He had time to pull out, or at least make an attempt to pull out. instead he kept on going straight into Sopoaga. DDA intended to collide with Sopoaga, no matter the outcome.
 
yup. I can't see why DDA is the innocent victim here. He had time to pull out, or at least make an attempt to pull out. instead he kept on going straight into Sopoaga. DDA intended to collide with Sopoaga, no matter the outcome.

You'll get no argument from me on DDA as an intellectually challenged anatomical organ of female reproduction however, even the available footage at the time showed that the charge wasn't dangerous. It was late and DDA did have time to pull out before colliding with Sopoaga however, the collision was not effected with a great deal of force.

I still reflect on the Folau / Leyds incident and think - how was that not worthy of sanction if the DDA incident was. The law apparently is clear - it's the act that is punished intentional or not, irrespective of outcome however, the degree of sanction on the field of play is too inconsistent.

I still think Garces was too literal with the law in that moment and got a bit red card happy.
 
You'll get no argument from me on DDA as an intellectually challenged anatomical organ of female reproduction however, even the available footage at the time showed that the charge wasn't dangerous. It was late and DDA did have time to pull out before colliding with Sopoaga however, the collision was not effected with a great deal of force.

I still reflect on the Folau / Leyds incident and think - how was that not worthy of sanction if the DDA incident was. The law apparently is clear - it's the act that is punished intentional or not, irrespective of outcome however, the degree of sanction on the field of play is too inconsistent.

I still think Garces was too literal with the law in that moment and got a bit red card happy.

I have been having this argument for a while now, and Cooky will know what's my view on this. It's for me, in the law proffession, baffling that intent is taking a back seat with most offences in rugby laws.

I feel that Folau's hair pull as well as DDA's pitiful attempt are both yellow card offences.
 
Normally, I agree with your posts Lourens, but not today (but I agree that RC was an incorrect decision)

de Allende makes absolutly no attempt to pull up short. He took two clear steps after Sopoaga kicked the ball, lined him up never taking his eyes off him, then brought his forearm up into the throat of Sopoaga.

That is a yellow card all day long, and three times on Sunday!

I agree D Allende was guilty of SOMETHING. Even as you stated a yellow card. I just think Sopoaga put something extra into his fall. The way he had time to throw his arms in the air and look up in shock.....now compare that with Pollard taking the knock against Ireland, going down like a sack of potatoes.....

Anyways, after reading my post again I can see me actually calling the guy a cheat, and agree that's harsh. I read that the two had a chat afterwards and that things are good between the two. My apologies.
 

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