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[2017 RBS Six Nations] Round 2: Wales vs England (11/02/2017)

Always liked Fearns rugged / aggressive approach.

Thought one of the criticisms always levelled at Hask was that his carrying was comparatively weak. Hughes is still v new at this level, but there have been some encouraging signs. With 10 more caps under his belt I think he'll look a very different player. Don't forget that he's an easy target to mark as we haven't got many other carriers at the moment.
I always said Haskell's reputation as a big carrier/tackler, in recent years, was living off past glory (if you go through my posts on here I often said I didn't want him anywhere near the England squad) however the past year or so he's really hit some real good form and his impact the last two games has been night/day compared to the starting backrow.
 
Really enjoyed that. Considering we're missing half our first choice pack I thought it was a fantastic effort.

Lawes was about 1000% better than last week. Still issues with the back row, presumably Haskell will start next time out. Nowell bought energy, would like to see him at FB against Italy. Given our lack of ball carriers in the pack I'd really like to see Teo given a chance. Care probably ought to start too.

Thought Faz's pass to Daly for the try was as good a piece of skill as you'll see. So often you see the runner having to check their stride, and the opportunity's gone. That was perfect.

That's 2 wins from 2 games we probably shouldn't have won. Never underestimate the mental aspect.

I agree with pretty much all of that mate.

Hell of a game of rugby. Thought we started really well and could have scored a few early on but Wales battled back into it. We made too many mistakes in their half of the field, too many soft turnovers from similar scenarios, mostly from Young's hitting an isolated decoy runner on a crash ball rather than using the guy out the back. Wales just didn't execute well enough IMO: too inaccurate at set piece and I was surprised they didn't go for the posts when they had those succession of penalties at the end of the first half.

Our lads showed some immense character though, to get a win at that place with so many leaders and forwards out shouldn't be taken lightly. I thought Launchbury was immense, George came off the bench and was outstanding again, Nowell was good, Daly did well, plenty of strong individual displays. I don't think Young's is doing enough at the minute to prevent Care from having an opportunity and as others have said, Brown just seems incapable of keeping hold of the ball. I love his competitiveness but he looks visibly slower to me than he was maybe a couple of years ago.

Last word for me is on Owen Farrell though. Absolutely one of the best in the game for me. He hit rucks all game, makes his tackles, leads by example and still has the composure to throw a pass like that. It was a loose kick but he cut 2/3 Welsh defenders out and put the ball right in front of Daly who sprinted clear. Then he gets up and knocks a kick over from the touchline, pure and utter class.
 
Not unless Daly is playing there, or at least at wing, for Wasps. He took his try well, but was beaten in the air every time today. For me it's Watson at 15 with May and Nowell on the wings. But I agree we need to look beyond Brown.

How is Watson's kicking? Maybe Daly can work on his aerial
 
Wales played well , yet it wasn't enough to overcome a superior coach and winning mentality. Cuthbert should not be allowed a welsh jersey again , how many 'chances to shine' has he spawned?
I question the substitutions of howley , and was dumbfounded by the removal of moriarty for a rusty faletau? no discredit to toby but he isn't what id call a impact player from the bench, If that was the plan wouldn't it of been better to start toby and bring on moriarty as he is more of an 'impact' player?. the removal of scott Williams is another decision I cant get my head around, scott is a 80 min player and a dangerous runner , again if this was the plan wouldn't it made more sense to start Roberts and bring on a fresh Williams as an impact player? theres seems to be a lack of reading whats happening in front of you and sticking to a gameplan, sometimes you need to adjust to the game and howley bottled it. on a plus note , it was a very improved performance warbs, tipuric, outstanding, biggar I thought had a cracking game , immense in d, webb had a decent game too. big mentions to nicky smith and rob evans, Sampson lee failed to make any impct for me and Baldwin was poor definitely stick with ken. I ll be happy continue in the direction they are going , the rugby is looking better and the training ground move for Williams try was sublime to watch , more of that please Wales.

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on a side note , jiffy was on great form today .:D
 
Put him at flanker behind a powerhouse front 5, the kind we used to breed, and I think he'll look utter world class. As a lock I just don't see him dominating NZ, RSA or France.

I think the last 2 games, it's been proved that Itoje is a lock, hence why Saracens play him there.
 
Not read the thread yet, only just finished watching the game.

Congrats England on a hard fought win. Kept going till the end, and you managed to isolate Cuthbert once in the game and he duly left the door ajar.

It was a brutal test match, but one which Wales got the better of for the majority. The main problem was that we were unable to convert pressure into points, and it has me thinking what if Davies was playing at 10. Look, Biggar had a great game in terms of his commitment and defensive work, with that intercept standing out, but we need to start scoring more try's after initially making good progress to get into the red-zone.

Pleased at the performance on the whole, disappointing to have slipped up in the final few minutes. What was our kicking strategy? Backfired spectacularly in the end, that ball just had to find touch, especially with Warburton essentially out of the game. We've had this kicking strategy for the entirety of Gatlands reign, and it's backfired on us on numerous occasions now (Australia comes to mind a few times). Ideally we need to add to our kicking options, because Jon Davies isn't a great kicker of the ball (he can hoof it on occasion, but it's basically to anywhere), neither is Liam Williams. I think back to when we had Henson at 12 and Byrne at 15, two great options who were able to properly relieve pressure when camped on our own try line.

Plenty of Welsh players putting in some great shifts. Owens had a terrific game at hooker, Ball and AWJ were industrious, while the backrow were magnificent, and almost won us that game. I wonder if that's the game that makes people realize that Tipuric isn't some lightweight powder puff forward, but that he can genuinely cut it even in a fiercely physical contest. Warburton was back to his very best, which is so nice to see, whilst Moriarty lifted his game to a new level in that third quarter with some monstrous hits, and strong carries.

In the backs, Webb had a good game, just denied a score, and unlucky not to set-up another with a lovely pass to put Davies free on the outside. I've mentioned Biggar who was very good, but ultimately Ford possibly proved the difference in the sides by identifying space. Centres were good, with Scott Williams a real nuisance in defense with that ripping motion. Halfepenny and Cuthbert were the quietest players, with Cuthbert in particular not adding anything of real note in attack, and only one real intervention in defense. Should have been Steff Evans out there, and maybe he would have got involved in attack!

Overall, massive improvement, but gutted we let that one slip through the net.
 
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Was Howley systematically trying to undermine Wales from the bench? Moriarty? He's making too many great tackles and carries.... take him off. Ken Owens? He's working too hard for the English to contain...take him off. Scott Williams? He's not running into the nearest English player...take him off. It wasn't even funny. And Cuthbert? Jesus Christ. Seriously, how does Howley have a job.

England are doing really well to be winning these games. Twice now they've less than convincing but still won. I'm more inclined to believe the opposition are throwing it away but still credit where its due. The appetite to come up hard off the line doesn't waiver throughout the game and the team ethic is fantastic. I used to think Farrell was one dimensional but he's turned into a smashing player. Does everything well and having two ball players at 10 and 12 is the making of the side. Picking Teo at 12 would be a terrible move.
 
I think the last 2 games, it's been proved that Itoje is a lock, hence why Saracens play him there.

Saracens are interested in beating Newcastle Sale and Bristol and the occasional French team who melt when they cross the Channel. Hugely different from taking on the top international teams. Itoje is a class act, but by international lock standards he's a little un and a good big un will always beat a good little un. Only time will tell but I think he has a much higher ceiling as a flanker. But he needs to play there for Sarries.

Much has been said about how much we're missing the Vunipolas, but I reckon Kruis' absence is just as, if not even more, important.
 
Not sure you can point the finger of blame at biggar for the lack of tries? you need to look at the coaching set up and what is being done on the training ground in relation to the lack of set play and creativity. Biggar had a very good game out there and out his body on the line, yes sam is a more creative FH but hes unproven at international level and I think he might of struggled with the intensity in this game. Sam can be a impact player at the moment until he warms to the task of international rugby but I would take biggar as no1 any day of the week at this moment.

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it would seem that way , very odd to bring of what is essentially your MOM up until that point
 
You're both wrong. Itoje's build puts him in the sweet spot where he could play lock and flanker with fairly equal facility up to this level.

His decision making is entirely that of a lock. He's not comfortable in the wide exposed positions. Lawes and Launchbury are both better flankers for my money
 
Not sure you can point the finger of blame at biggar for the lack of tries? you need to look at the coaching set up and what is being done on the training ground in relation to the lack of set play and creativity. Biggar had a very good game out there and out his body on the line, yes sam is a more creative FH but hes unproven at international level and I think he might of struggled with the intensity in this game. Sam can be a impact player at the moment until he warms to the task of international rugby but I would take biggar as no1 any day of the week at this moment.

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it would seem that way , very odd to bring of what is essentially your MOM up until that point

Well said, I don't get this Biggar dislike. The guy defends brilliantly and Wales wouldn't be the same with an inexperienced fly half.
 
There's a lot of tall lanky back rowers with pretty good international careers. His given stats are pretty much identical to Kaino iirc. I find your case as baffling as Moriarty's substitution :p
 
There's a lot of tall lanky back rowers with pretty good international careers. His given stats are pretty much identical to Kaino iirc. I find your case as baffling as Moriarty's substitution :p

Nearly as baffling in saying he's not tall enough to be a lock. Although the last year proved he is top quality in that position, world young player of the year in fact.
 
Nearly as baffling in saying he's not tall enough to be a lock. Although the last year proved he is top quality in that position, world young player of the year in fact.

Maybe quote the person making that argument instead of me?
 
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