Roundabouts and other driving pet peeves

[BrokenWing]

It is. It's a "must" under rule 60 of the HWC. Are police stopping cyclists at night currently?

Can't see them can they.

I go for a run at half five in the mornings and I'm safer running in the road with my chest lights on than dodging the constant flow of bikes and e-scooters with no lights tearing along the pavements.

 

[AlRums]

Moment mountain biker slams into gate but is miraculously unharmed

Lloyd Bennett, 14, and his father Terry caught their dramatic escapade on camera while riding the One Giant Leap track near Llangollen, North Wales, on January 25.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Stupid and potentially dangerous cyclist

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Can't see them can they.

I go for a run at half five in the mornings and I'm safer running in the road with my chest lights on than dodging the constant flow of bikes and e-scooters with no lights tearing along the pavements.

I don't ride at nights. It's suicidal on the roads even with lights. But these new laws won't change much without proper enforcement. It's just political gesturing IMO.

Moment mountain biker slams into gate but is miraculously unharmed

Lloyd Bennett, 14, and his father Terry caught their dramatic escapade on camera while riding the One Giant Leap track near Llangollen, North Wales, on January 25.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Stupid and potentially dangerous cyclist

Yes, but he walked away from it. And at least it was on mountain bike trail and not in an urban area.

Here's another Daily Fail article from last year, along with the Torygraph that's very anti cyclist:

Cyclists kill or seriously injure 1,400 pedestrians since 2013

Former Tory leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith has vowed to close a loophole which can see cyclists who kill or injure pedestrians escape prosecution as they cannot be held to account, pictured, Brian Fitzpatrick.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Not once does it put into context that vehicles seriously injure or kill around 30k per year. Whipping up the culture wars on the roads even.

 

[AlRums]

Here's another Daily Fail article from last year, along with the Torygraph that's very anti cyclist:

Cyclists kill or seriously injure 1,400 pedestrians since 2013

Former Tory leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith has vowed to close a loophole which can see cyclists who kill or injure pedestrians escape prosecution as they cannot be held to account, pictured, Brian Fitzpatrick.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Not once does it put into context that vehicles seriously injure or kill around 30k per year. Whipping up the culture wars on the roads even.

There is no context needed, car drivers and their insurance is held accountable by law.

Cyclists as pointed out in the article aren't held accountable at all as very much itemised in the article with two specific cases. That's 30 dead people with no responsibility at all.

The laws must be changed and registration, insurance and if need be a tax has to be levied/mandated to protect those who are injured or killed by cyclists in the same way drivers are.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

There is no context needed, car drivers and their insurance is held accountable by law.

well, there is when the numbers killed and seriously injured are disproportionately larger than cyclists.

Cyclists as pointed out in the article aren't held accountable at all as very much itemised in the article with two specific cases. That's 30 dead people with no responsibility at all.

I hold insurance as a cyclist. I am also a car driver as are a lot of cyclists. It's not a simple case of segregating cyclists, drivers, pedestrians.

The laws must be changed and registration, insurance and if need be a tax has to be levied/mandated to protect those who are injured or killed by cyclists in the same way drivers are.

It's too complex and costly to register and force insurance on cyclists. Those who do, choose to do so mainly for anti- theft purposes, which is another issue for cyclists.

It's been said by DOT many times and not worth it for the benefits cycling provides. As above the number of cases of cyclists killing a pedestrian is minute compared to cars/vehicles which for the most part are deadly weapons, driven by people for convenience.

Where is the protected cycling infrastructure and which is well maintained? That's the real issue in our urban areas without the right throwing up their arms. Giving up road space for cycling and dare I say it microbililty where there is regulation of the batteries.

More LTNs - which have been proven to work and be effective. More employers willing to set up work places closer to where peeps live so they can walk/cycle more instead of in major cities forcing workers to drive being crammed onto smelly trains wasting hours of their day and money commuting or frustrated being stuck in traffic jams.

 

[Weldit]

It'll happen. If there's a way to make money, they'll do it. Those abusing the rules will only add reason to their cause.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

It'll happen. If there's a way to make money, they'll do it. Those abusing the rules will only add reason to their cause.

it won't because they won't pay for the upkeep of it. And it'll just put off cyclists from taking it up cycling. How many do you see wearing a helmet currently? Even that is not mandatory.
The DOT have said it time and again. The last one and even this one.

That's why instead they put rules instead because it's much cheaper. Those responsible cyclists will voluntarily insure themselves, register their bikes for theft purposes and wear helmets. Make laws for dangerous riding to catch the absolute idiots sure.

No country other than North Korea forces mandatory registration and insurance of cyclists. Why? Because it doesn't work and it'll be a waste of taxpayers money.

Cyclists breaking the law and riding dangerously are much much lower and getting hit by a 15kg bike at 20mph is few and far between and a lot less less likely to kill than 2 tonnes of metal driving into pedestrian. That's why vehicles are forced to be insured/registered.

Sure they are annoying to others because they are more conspicuous when they do it and it feels like they are getting away with it. Those who run red lights are idiots and risk their own lives. Just as long as they don't risk others.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Tailgaters!

 

[Weldit]

it won't because they won't pay for the upkeep of it. And it'll just put off cyclists from taking it up cycling....

Not to sound glum, but you're underestimating greed. If there's a gap to make money, they'll do it. One way or another, they'll find a way. They've already done it to other vehicles on the roads under multiple guises. It's not going to happen over night, but when it becomes a "problem" they'll do their *best* to fix it. It's how governments work. They're always heavy handed.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Not to sound glum, but you're underestimating greed. If there's a gap to make money, they'll do it. One way or another, they'll find a way.

If they did, then I guarantee you cyclists just won't register or won't cycle which people are less inclined to do so already. Many are already put off riding on the roads because of the way certain drivers treat cyclists on the roads. Then who gets lumbered with the cost of the scheme? The taxpayer and then the likes of the daily fail can have something else to moan about.

Then you have police who just won't prioritise chasing them and stopping them for non-registration . They don't already around where I live especially with these e-scooters, outside of rental schemes, and the Govts have put off what to Do with them until next year. I saw one police car drive right past one in my home town centre and messaged them on X whether it was now legal to ride an e-scooter. Funnily enough I didn't get a response.

If you're not aware already this Govt. Have already decided not to go ahead with legalising e-bikes with 500w motors and with throttles of 15.5mph, which the last one proposed. They will still be classed as vehicles and require registration and insurance. But like most already in existence won't.

I am pretty sure they won't even for a money grab because of the aforementioned reasons. It's incredibly complex and there's no political capital to invest in such a scheme, other than to create laws to go after the dangerous riders, which is an easy win for the anti-cyclist brigade. But hey, never say never.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Just want to leave this up to put the whole thing into perspective over a 4 year period, including the 2 years of Covid, which may have skewed the figures as more people were cycling. The problem isn't with cyclists but with vehicles, which pedal cycles, including EAPCs, are not classed as.

 

[Weldit]

If they did, then I guarantee you cyclists just won't register or won't cycle which people are less inclined to do so already. Many are already put off riding on the roads because of the way certain drivers treat cyclists on the roads. Then who gets lumbered with the cost of the scheme? The taxpayer and then the likes of the daily fail can have something else to moan about.

Then you have police who just won't prioritise chasing them and stopping them for non-registration . They don't already around where I live especially with these e-scooters, outside of rental schemes, and the Govts have put off what to Do with them until next year. I saw one police car drive right past one in my home town centre and messaged them on X whether it was now legal to ride an e-scooter. Funnily enough I didn't get a response.

If you're not aware already this Govt. Have already decided not to go ahead with legalising e-bikes with 500w motors and with throttles of 15.5mph, which the last one proposed. They will still be classed as vehicles and require registration and insurance. But like most already in existence won't.

I am pretty sure they won't even for a money grab because of the aforementioned reasons. It's incredibly complex and there's no political capital to invest in such a scheme, other than to create laws to go after the dangerous riders, which is an easy win for the anti-cyclist brigade. But hey, never say never.

We'll have to see I guess. I don't blame the police for not bothering as no action is usually taken or there's no evidence - comically so at times.

As for bikes on the road. I personally wouldn't do it because of the heavy traffic etc, but tbh, like some car drivers, I've seen some shocking cyclists on the road too.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

We'll have to see I guess. I don't blame the police for not bothering as no action is usually taken or there's no evidence - comically so at times.

Yeh I wear a camera and reported many an incident to my local police. They don't want to know if they can't identify the driver or rider or their generic emails say: "not in a position to take action." Now I no longer bother with those where the number plate isn't clear.

As for bikes on the road. I personally wouldn't do it because of the heavy traffic etc, but tbh, like some car drivers, I've seen some shocking cyclists on the road too.

I call out cyclists who break the rules when I am in the mood. Still, get abuse or back chat from them. Like today two who chose to ride in the contra flow cycle lane when there was no need to. I was riding on the road and there was zero traffic. Some cyclists like drivers don't like to be told what to do or have their riding critisized.