2012 England New Zealand

[Big Ewis]

Apparently, England beat New Zealand that day...do you guys have any tasteless jokes about that I may want to read ??
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[Tony Manx]

I apologize in advance for reminding some fans of the painful memories, and I understand this looks like another silly crap-stirring thread about that fateful afternoon, but here's the deal:
I'm watching the second half of the game again, where all the tries happen, and though it's been a year it's still a very confusing match. Can anyone say they know what happened that day for sure ? I don't know, only the players and staff know.

I'd like to once again ask people what they really think happened that day.
I personally think it's just fatigue, but I mean real fatigue. The breaks England make look awfully easy to make, and there are large, large gaps in the NZ defense. The interception from Tuilagi before he gives to Ashton is just weird. It looks like Read and the Blacks are in slow mo or something.
After that controversial Tuilagi try - right after - Ben Youngs of all ppl makes an easy break once again and it looks like England are about to score their 4th consecutive try as they're 5m from the line in a blink.
There are parts it looks like the AB are just watching the ball...day dreaming while jogging, sorta.

And it's not even like England looked that sharp; they were good that day/not questioning that, but they're just taking what NZ is giving them, and it's just the strangest sight.

I remember being stunned watching it live, but every time I see footage or entire stretches from it again, I still get that same awkward impression about it, so it wasn't just a spur of the moment thing.

As this is the weirdest thing ever to have happened to Rugby in recent memory by far, I'm still interested in further exchange with you interesting Rugby people.
I think it's fatigue, major fatigue. Seeing how good they were that year in particular, and since the RWC for that matter, they must've trained like lab rats. The mental exhaustion, pressure and the bodies broken down.

But then there's this food poisoning thing....which one of the two is it ?
Anyone has anything logically viable or historically exact they can bring forth ? Any "inside sources" on this case ?...anything beyond mere hypothesis ?....

......obviously match fixing by the Asian syndicates?

 

[Big Ewis]

......obviously match fixing by the Asian syndicates?

the......"Asian syndicates" ??...interesting ! That, I hadn't heard so far, I must admit.

P.S.:
Not to mention the last two try attempts by NZ. Wide open, about 2-3 guys open to finish off the play and can't catch the most basic pass, twice in a row. Just really weird stuff...

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yeah, All Blacks are sh*t.

 

[Tony Manx]

. Just really weird stuff...

........definite fix!

 

[Mrs. Peter Quinn]

I've seriously lost count of the number of times you've referred to an England try as controversial. Why again was the Tuilagi try controversial?

Also, it's your own bloody fault if you ever get called a wum.

 

[Darwin]

Yoe has a good point. There is no way England could have legitimately beaten the ABs.

WE WAS CHEATED!
JUSTICE 4 RITCHIE!
SHAME ON ENGLAND!

 

[Patchey]

Seriously? The 2012 match had been brought up in almost every thread concerning England or New Zealand over the last twelve month. While I often replay the game in my mind when I'm having a bad day, even I must admit there is no need to discuss it further right now. Every possible question concerning how and why the game ended like it did has already been discussed, probably multiple times. Personally, I think this thread is pretty redundant.


(Not that that'll stop me from posting here to waste time at work though...)

 

[Draggs]

Everybody knows England poisoned the All Blacks.

 

[Aristodemus]

Every England win is like a dagger in Yoe's back, I love it

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

England breaks were "easy"? Just how many breaks have you seen that weren't made to look easy? The whole point of breaks is that a team has either been out-manouvered, out-muscled, out-thought or simply made an error.

It's quite pathetic that you bring this up again with the attempt to say somehow it was "dodgy" or not deserved. The ABs often infringe in the breakdown and you know where a large chunk of England's initial lead came from? Penalty kicks from breakdown infringments. NZ were always playing catchup and that is not a position they are used to. Nobody is saying the ABs were at their best but to claim they were so poor that you cna still claim England were basically mediocre to win is an insult to both ABs and England.

The context is completely missing too. Despite England losing the games to Aus and SA, both games were close. You then have England this years winning all but the NZ game, which they still lost by less than any SH nation managed in the RWC should show that putting it all down to a virus is just bull****. England played very well that day and trying to find some excuse to make out it wasn't a great win just no longer holds water.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

yoe has a good point. There is no way england could have legitimately beaten the abs.

We was cheated!
Justice 4 ritchie!
Shame on england!

*justice7richie

 

[Kapa O Pango]

13 is a pretty number.

 

[Big Ewis]

Why again was the Tuilagi try controversial?

He did the "L" over his forehead loser sign and a bunch of people including Eddie Jones called him out for it. You don't remember ?


As for the replies on here, yeah, okay......why the fk did I even try this thread...

Check this out, it's a fascinating little story:

Imagine a guy who genuinely wanted information or different opinions on what went wrong for the All-Blacks that day. Like, he couldn't give less of a crap about who won it a year later when all the tensions are gone. One night, he goes on YT and a recommended vid is ENG NZ 2012, and he watches a bit, then the whole second half, then goes to his forum and wants some opinions and facts he may not know.
He totally understands the touchy topic he's about to bring up again, but thinks ppl are intelligent enough to see his intentions and, well, for the ones who do have something actually interesting and original to say about that match, they'd give him something worth his time. He's not a politician, but his time isn't worth complete feces either.
Here's the amazing twist: that guy is me on this thread right now.

yaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwn...

 

[ratsapprentice]

He does that after every try for club and country, and if you notice he does it to the crowd... I'm pretty sure it's an L for Leicester.
In any case it would be beyond retarded if it really was a "loser" sign, particularly because - as I said- he does it towards the crowd.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

He did the "L" over his forehead loser sign and a bunch of people including Eddie Jones called him out for it. You don't remember ?

L is for Leicester - he's been doing it his whole career.

 

[Draggs]

Maybe England and New Zealand accidentally were given the wrong kits before the match?

 

[Big Ewis]

L is for Leicester - he's been doing it his whole career.

:lol: dude, it's like you want to be disliked. Make that 'L' a little bigger next time. So much intensity in that post...why ?
Oh ok it's for Leicester...anyways still a try that stirred some criticism at the time.

Maybe England and New Zealand accidentally were given the wrong kits before the match?

yeah. That's got to be it......

 

[Patchey]

:lol: dude, it's like you want to be disliked. Make that 'L' a little bigger next time. So much intensity in that post...why ?
Oh ok it's for Leicester...anyways still a try that stirred some criticism at the time.



yeah. That's got to be it......

I'm pretty sure Eddie Jones was critical of Manu because he walked/jogged the last few steps over the line. Which I guess is justified if you consider there wasn't a defender in sight and he's just run half the pitch and probably needed a breather...


You keep saying you want to hear alternative views on the match. The reason you're not getting any isn't because its a 'touchy' topic (apart from for a few brown shorted kiwis out there!) but that we've all done this to death. Go back and read through the match thread from the time or any threads about England or New Zealand over the last twelve months and you'll be exposed to every possible opinion as to why England won. There isn't really much to say that hasn't been said.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

:lol: dude, it's like you want to be disliked. Make that 'L' a little bigger next time. So much intensity in that post...why ?

Because you really need to change the record.
Every single one of your posts is either singing the praises of the French or slagging off the English, it's tiresome.