New Zealand vs England (06/07/24)

[Ragey Erasmus]

As usual a penalty count heavily against England. We can't win games if we keep giving tons of stupid penalties. Why can no England team get a grip on this?

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

I've never really thought of Furbank as being especially good in defence but he's been dominating some NZers today. His hit on Jordie early on the game was monstrous. Really making that 15 shirt his own.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

CCS had a good game but I do feel that he is needed off the bench to bring impact. Curry isn't a impact sub

Tempted to want to see Martin at 6 next week.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Tough combo, need to keep hold of the ball, but who is bringing the energy to do anything? We have looked gone for 15 mins now

Yeah it's like you said: we've obviously been told to kick absolutely everything

Frustrating because while Spencer is the better kicker, he's also a very good 9 in general but isn't being given opportunity to show it
Finn, too

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Farrell laughing atm

 

[Jimbo]

As usual a penalty count heavily against England. We can't win games if we keep giving tons of stupid penalties. Why can no England team get a grip on this?

How many of those are at scrum time, deal with that and is it a little more balanced?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Farrell no longer the only player I've seen have the time run out

 

[Reiser99]

A few really stupid penalties by England...

Tbh our penalty count in the first half was good. List discipline in the second.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

CCS had a good game but I do feel that he is needed off the bench to bring impact. Curry isn't a impact sub

Tempted to want to see Martin at 6 next week.

No chance. The way the scrum's gone today Martin is needed in the engine room. No other lock brings as much there as he does.

 

[dirty harry]

I feel for England today, such an uphill battle especially at the breakdown.

Take that last one, Itoje gets a sniff of a turnover and a kiwi bullets over the ruck to take him out. That's the clearest penalty I've ever seen, ref isnt interested!

 

[higgik]

The change in attitude of England is the best thing today.
Forget the actual result, the attitude to attack has been uplifting.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

No chance. The way the scrum's gone today Martin is needed in the engine room. No other lock brings as much there as he does.

I feel Isiekwe could be close at least

Borthwick not taking JvP is a mistake him off the bench is impact but he can also kick the **** off the ball if needed

 

[higgik]

No chance. The way the scrum's gone today Martin is needed in the engine room. No other lock brings as much there as he does.

Hopefully Tuima will develop into the TH lock to do the heavy work.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Decent game, that

I'd have taken a 1pt loss before the game tbh - not sure the next will be as close though, we definitely look like a side with a lot of miles under the belt, physicality faded massively towards the end of the game

Sacrilege considering how good he's been but I wouldn't mind Earl on the bench next week, he looks shattered and I wouldn't mind seeing CCS at 8
Ben Curry at 6, but wouldn't mind Isiekwe there tbh

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Bench lost us the game, we couldn't bring any tempo on
NZ warmed up going to be rough next week

 

[dirty harry]

That last penalty... I'm not sure that's the right call either, at no point was he in a position to lift the ball, he was flopping off his feet lol

England should be bouyed by this though, physically they are the better team, more destructive forwards. If they can sort the scrum and be a little more nuanced at the breakdown they can transfer that to a victory easy enough.

Enjoyed that game though

 

[Jimbo]

I think we'd have all taken this before hand, could have gone either way, feels (possibly my bias) like there was a little crowd persuasion giving NZ most of the tighter calls, having said that Earl could quite easily seen red for the shoulder charge when running a forward support line.

 

[Ceteris]

Errm what were England really trying to do in the last 20 minutes?

NZ got away with murder all game

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Decent game, that

I'd have taken a 1pt loss before the game tbh - not sure the next will be as close though, we definitely look like a side with a lot of miles under the belt, physicality faded massively towards the end of the game

Sacrilege considering how good he's been but I wouldn't mind Earl on the bench next week, he looks shattered and I wouldn't mind seeing CCS at 8
Ben Curry at 6, but wouldn't mind Isiekwe there tbh

Good shout with Curry at 6

 

[Scotty]

Gutted and taking off CCS and Underhill really took something away from us.

Also whilst I rate Spencer he seems noticeably slower at the breakdown to Mitchell.

And we bearly attacked in that last 15 min it felt we just defended and kicked it back to them. Just felt like we were trying to hold onto a lead when 1 point down.

Still alot of positives and very strong physical performance, if we won I don't think anyone would have said we didnt deserve it based on that performance