Transfers rumours

Irishkid · Jan 27, 2015

Dom Wauldock --> Irish

iINDOMINUSxx · Jan 27, 2015

Not sure if someone mention this already but apparently Tim Visser could be heading to Sale Sharks as a replacement for Mark Cueto who I think is retiring this year. Cant find any sources if its needed. I read it from InTheLoose if that helps.

ratsapprentice · Jan 27, 2015

I think the Lahiff rumour has legs... he's not in the Rebels squad.

j'nuh · Jan 27, 2015

Glos are apparently after him too.

Irishkid · Jan 27, 2015

He could do very well. Top scrummager also rumoured that he might end up back here.

On another note Bob Casey has said we are announcing a jaw dropping signing tomorrow so keep your eyes pealed rumoure players are Foley and Nanai Williams.

TheSaffycen · Jan 27, 2015

I would love to see Nani Williams ! So Irish so far have Franks, McKibbin, Maitland and possibly another Waratah in Foley.

Patchey · Jan 27, 2015

Damn..talk about splashing the cash!

At least Irish have got a coach who can actually you know, coach, for next season. Might be quite exciting!

TRF Mr Fish · Jan 27, 2015

Irishkid said:
He could do very well. Top scrummager also rumoured that he might end up back here.

On another note Bob Casey has said we are announcing a jaw dropping signing tomorrow so keep your eyes pealed rumoure players are Foley and Nanai Williams.

Can't see TNW heading north, he's been pretty explicit in saying he'll stay with the Chiefs even though he's switching to Samoa.

And why would Foley want to head north when he's so young?

LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan) · Jan 27, 2015

I don't think TNW will move up north.

TRF_Olyy · Jan 27, 2015

TRF Mr Fish said:
And why would Foley want to head north when he's so young?

Adventure?
2-3 years on the other side of the world, making more money than he would at home, then back to Aus to get in contention for 2019 RWC.

nickdnz · Jan 28, 2015

TRF_Olyy said:
Adventure?
2-3 years on the other side of the world, making more money than he would at home, then back to Aus to get in contention for 2019 RWC.

Maybe, but I think the ARU would put quite a lot of money into retaining Foley - and he is doesn't seem particularly interested in playing elsewhere at this stage.

TRF Mr Fish · Jan 28, 2015

TRF_Olyy said:
Adventure?
2-3 years on the other side of the world, making more money than he would at home, then back to Aus to get in contention for 2019 RWC.

That'd be a pretty risky move for someone who has only really just cemented themselves a spot in the first XV. First fives rarely return from the NH as better players (see McAlister), it'd be a bit different if he was a loose forward.

LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan) · Jan 28, 2015

Irishkid said:
He could do very well. Top scrummager also rumoured that he might end up back here.

On another note Bob Casey has said we are announcing a jaw dropping signing tomorrow so keep your eyes pealed rumoure players are Foley and Nanai Williams.

Ryan Lamb would be a jaw dropping signing in a way.

Patchey · Jan 28, 2015

Tigs Man said:
Ryan Lamb would be a jaw dropping signing in a way.

Tee hee.

TheSaffycen · Jan 28, 2015

TRF Mr Fish said:
That'd be a pretty risky move for someone who has only really just cemented themselves a spot in the first XV. First fives rarely return from the NH as better players (see McAlister), it'd be a bit different if he was a loose forward.

I've always seen him as a centre personally, and being in France they do like to bulk them up. If he moved to England I think he would do quite well. We don't put an emphasise on size and look at O'Connor just getting his head down for a season and now he is in France playing some of his best rugby for years.

goodNumber10 · Jan 28, 2015

TRF Mr Fish said:
That'd be a pretty risky move for someone who has only really just cemented themselves a spot in the first XV. First fives rarely return from the NH as better players (see McAlister), it'd be a bit different if he was a loose forward.

what about Giteua? He's in fine form or Hernandez? Sanchez? who've both developed their game whilst being up here.

The issue isn't the NH but more lazy people who come up here and let themselves go/don't control their weight etc... (Frans Steyn) - that's not the NH's fault that's the players fault, the demands here are different, it's not the NH clubs responsibility to micro manage and keep players fit for SH national teams.

TRF_stormer2010 · Jan 28, 2015

Siya Kolisi and Frans Malherbe, WP/Stormers --> Toulouse

http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/Toulouse-keen-to-sign-Bok-duo-20150128

Hands off, Toulouse!.. We have a good line-up of loosies but if Vermeulen goes to Europe and Burger retires we are going to need to keep a hold of Kolisi, keep Carr and get in a good fetcher. Malherbe we simply can't afford to lose though he'll be getting good scrum experience in Europe from a Bok POV.

nickdnz · Jan 28, 2015

TheSaffycen said:
I've always seen him as a centre personally, and being in France they do like to bulk them up. If he moved to England I think he would do quite well. We don't put an emphasise on size and look at O'Connor just getting his head down for a season and now he is in France playing some of his best rugby for years.

McAlister or Foley as a centre? McAlister is definitely a better inside centre (however he came back to the Blues after playing at Sale...). Foley I think in no way is really a centre, I'm not sure he's played outside 1st 5/8th or fullback..

I don't think O'Connor is paying his 'best rugby in years' either. He never stopped playing great rugby and has consistently been one of the best outside backs in the world. His issue was his attitude off the field. I've been a little underwhelmed with his form for Toulon.

goodNumber10 said:
what about Giteua? He's in fine form or Hernandez? Sanchez? who've both developed their game whilst being up here.

The issue isn't the NH but more lazy people who come up here and let themselves go/don't control their weight etc... (Frans Steyn) - that's not the NH's fault that's the players fault, the demands here are different, it's not the NH clubs responsibility to micro manage and keep players fit for SH national teams.

Giteau has been good for Toulon - never thought he wasn't a great player. Neither Sanchez or Hernandez played Super Rugby, so I'm not sure what your point is in regards to them. They both played in South Africa for a bit. None of this is relevant to a player going overseas, tending to perform poorly on return.

The point Mr Fish is making is that players rarely go to Europe and come back as good a players as they left. It's not that they don't excel or do well in Europe, McAlister has had some great purple patches for Toulouse since he left (and some poor patches as well) - it's that they tend to find it difficult to recapture their form when returning to Super Rugby. Whether that is due to the pace of Super Rugby being greater, or the game play is different, or the conditioning for the tournaments is different, is arguable. I think it's a bit overstated mind you, I think McAlister actually came back and wasn't bad at all for the Blues - he just didn't get many opportunities on his return, was asked to play 10 more than 12, and eventually got frustrated and left unceremoniously. However whether it is perception or reality, players returning still have a harder time cementing their positions in the national team. So it would certainly be a risk for Foley.

snoopy snoopy dog dog · Jan 28, 2015

Niall Morris to Leinster is doing the rounds.

goodNumber10 · Jan 28, 2015

TRF_nickdnz said:
Giteau has been good for Toulon - never thought he wasn't a great player. Neither Sanchez or Hernandez played Super Rugby, so I'm not sure what your point is in regards to them. They both played in South Africa for a bit. None of this is relevant to a player going overseas, tending to perform poorly on return.

They are SH 1st fives and they have kicked on since moving to the NH, Sanchez is one of the best 10's in the world right now, Hernandez was the best 10 in the world 2007/2008.

All off the back of "inferior" NH rugby.

TRF_nickdnz said:
The point Mr Fish is making is that players rarely go to Europe and come back as good a players as they left.

Exactly, the inference is that somehow the NH de-skills the player or makes them unfit or is responsible for this which is just not true - as we see with player like Giteau and JOC etc... who are superb in both hemispheres, additionally plenty of players have come here from Super Rugby and not performed - Steyn (M) being a perfect example.

The fact is the demands are different and they come back different players - not poorer. That's an important difference to make.

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