The Official Sonny Bill Williams Thread

[TRF_Cymro]

haha Hatton isn't the type of fighter to be able to make up the gap in reach difference. He'd be walking into punches all night.

Obviously you have not watched much boxing (im an occasional fan) otherwise you would know that Hatton fights mostly on the inside as did Tyson because of their reach! Hatton in his current state would not but a Hatton who went back to training and not messing around probably would.



As its been eluded already, SBW would be put into the heavyweight category and the likes of the Klitschko's would carve him up within the first round, and if not they would toy with him for a few rounds before absolutely destroying him.

 

[Frank Dux]

Obviously I was talking about boxing.

 

[Frank Dux]

Obviously you have not watched much boxing (im an occasional fan) otherwise you would know that Hatton fights mostly on the inside as did Tyson because of their reach! Hatton in his current state would not but a Hatton who went back to training and not messing around probably would.



As its been eluded already, SBW would be put into the heavyweight category and the likes of the Klitschko's would carve him up within the first round, and if not they would toy with him for a few rounds before absolutely destroying him.

Too bad, Hatton doesn't have Mike Tyson head movement to even get remotely close.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Too bad, Hatton doesn't have Mike Tyson head movement to even get remotely close.

Are you for real? What has Tyson got to do with beating Hatton? As you eluded to earlier there are weight differences in boxing so that fight would never go ahead, its like talking to a 5 year old here. Too bad you ain't answered the question yet.

 

[Teh Mite]

Combat's combat, mate. Be it boxing, MMA or single martial art, the talented little guy will always beat the unskilled big man. SBW is an unskilled boxer who's barely got to grips with the basic fundamentals. He's far too old to learn what's necessary to become a top level fighter either in instinct/technique or conditioning. What he's doing is risking his health for a hobby which could very easily bite him if he ever went up against a competent boxer and land both himself and the NZRU with egg on their faces (not to mention black eyes).

It's no co-incidence he's being fed fodder who aren't ever going to achieve greatness either. In Pro wrestling, the equivalent to the guys he's "boxing" against are known as Jobbers. The nobodies who get squashed in under a minute when the card is light - Even with opposition of that calibour, Sonny Bill is labouring the task.

 

[Frank Dux]

Are you for real? What has Tyson got to do with beating Hatton? As you eluded to earlier there are weight differences in boxing so that fight would never go ahead, its like talking to a 5 year old here. Too bad you ain't answered the question yet.

Umm, that was the answer. Tyson got inside his opponent's reach because he had great head movement, Hatton is nothing like that. And exactly where is the question you're referring to?

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Umm, that was the answer. Tyson got inside his opponent's reach because he had great head movement, Hatton is nothing like that. And exactly where is the question you're referring to?

I said the likes of Hatton and Tyson would get on the inside of SBW and ruin him ... you come out with some gobbledygook about how Tyson would smash Hatton ... and then you are preaching about weight divisions with Bullitt ... gobbledygook it is indeed!

 

[Frank Dux]

Combat's combat, mate. Be it boxing, MMA or single martial art, the talented little guy will always beat the unskilled big man. SBW is an unskilled boxer who's barely got to grips with the basic fundamentals. He's far too old to learn what's necessary to become a top level fighter either in instinct/technique or conditioning. What he's doing is risking his health for a hobby which could very easily bite him if he ever went up against a competent boxer and land both himself and the NZRU with egg on their faces (not to mention black eyes).

It's no co-incidence he's being fed fodder who aren't ever going to achieve greatness either. In Pro wrestling, the equivalent to the guys he's "boxing" against are known as Jobbers. The nobodies who get squashed in under a minute when the card is light.

MMA and Boxing have different sets of rules and that makes a world of difference. That is true that a talented small guy will beat a unskilled big man, but Sonny has a capable jab, and that's what will get most smaller opponents out, especially someone as easy to hit as Hatton.

Lots of boxers, including great boxers get fed ''jobbers'' when they first start out. It's part of creating confidence, but also assessing your flaws before you fight someone who is capable of exploiting it. As you get better, you get fed better boxers. It's natural progression in boxing.

 

[Frank Dux]

I said the likes of Hatton and Tyson would get on the inside of SBW and ruin him ... you come out with some gobbledygook about how Tyson would smash Hatton ... and then you are preaching about weight divisions with Bullitt ... gobbledygook it is indeed!

WOW! I never said Tyson would smash Hatton. I think you are well behind on this one.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

WOW! I never said Tyson would smash Hatton. I think you are well behind on this one.

Think you might find I am quite well informed with this one. I suggest you re-think rather make it worse. SBW is not a good boxer and if he went up against true pro's he would get a beating! SBW should stick to the rugby.

 

[dan the man]

Totally agree with nickdnz especially about point 3, sure he performed pretty well at ITM Cup level but i can't remember the last time someone was selected for the All Blacks (amazingly a starting position) from only playing a few games at that level... It seems like it was in his contract to be selected for the Backing Black tour regardless of how well he performed...

I'm not an "anti" SBW but i do think that he needs to earn the right to play, hopefully he really owns the Super 15 and really grows alongside Carter and McCaw... I can imagine the World Cup final, NZ trail by four points in the 78th minute and SBW gets an offload away to Gear who dots it down in the corner! in saying that Nonu would probably just barge through and score the try himself!!!

 

[Shaggy]

Totally agree with nickdnz especially about point 3, sure he performed pretty well at ITM Cup level but i can't remember the last time someone was selected for the All Blacks (amazingly a starting position) from only playing a few games at that level... It seems like it was in his contract to be selected for the Backing Black tour regardless of how well he performed...

I'm not an "anti" SBW but i do think that he needs to earn the right to play, hopefully he really owns the Super 15 and really grows alongside Carter and McCaw... I can imagine the World Cup final, NZ trail by four points in the 78th minute and SBW gets an offload away to Gear who dots it down in the corner! in saying that Nonu would probably just barge through and score the try himself!!!

Hmmn ... might have to disagree on this one ... The "Great" Ritchie Macaw was originally selected after only 8 minutes of Super 14, Isaia Toeava was selected at age 19, and no Super 14 experience

Selecting young up and coming players doesn't guarantee that they are going to be long term prospects for NZ either ala Luke McAlister post 2007, or that they'll be selected again ala Ben Atiga in 2003

I'm still taking a wait and see approach with SBW ... the hype and his background is irrelevant, he is one of the encumbants, it's up to any of the other contenders to prove they are better and displace him.

As for the boxing, if he's being monitored by the NZRU medical staff, and there's no contract issues, then I don't see a problem ... he could just as easily injury himself at training or in a pre-season game

 

[Sam Owen]

Umm, that was the answer. Tyson got inside his opponent's reach because he had great head movement, Hatton is nothing like that. And exactly where is the question you're referring to?

Ricky Hatton does move his head, the video clip provided in the earlier posts doesnt show that. Tysons head movement was far superior to most but the speed of his opponents punches are not as fast as the punches Hatton has to deal with.

Ive boxed for a long time now and also done a year of Muay Thai and dabbled in some MMA, thats just to say the least (I hate having to metion this lol but...). Just because your big it doesnt mean your automatically dangerous in the ring or the 'O'. Ricky Hatton would beat up on Sonny if they fought, any boxer knows that, I'd give Sonny a punchers chance but his punches would be too slow and would only accommodate Hattons head movement.

Sonny does have a jab but he throws it going backwards and that lessons the power in it. He guards poorly its lucky these professionals hes fought havnt got a decent to nil amateur background otherwise Sonny would be getting schooled. Against Lewis he did far too many uneccesary movements, running was the biggest one, theres a way to stick and move and then theres just running, it worked against Lewis because Lewis fell into his trap and ran after him instead of trying to cut of the ring. Theres a few other things that I saw but just cant remember...

Sonny has raw ahtleticism had he boxed while he was younger he mightve been good. Hes learnt late and already he shows promise but theres just too much things for him to learn. His Boxing is good enough for these Australasian C-class heavyweights.

 

[peks89]

hattons ****...you guys shud be talkn about pac man vs SBW...e.g. pac man vs margarito!

NOW THATS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF DAVID VS GOLIATH : D chek out the fight

 

[Frank Dux]

Ricky Hatton does move his head, the video clip provided in the earlier posts doesnt show that. Tysons head movement was far superior to most but the speed of his opponents punches are not as fast as the punches Hatton has to deal with.

Ive boxed for a long time now and also done a year of Muay Thai and dabbled in some MMA, thats just to say the least (I hate having to metion this lol but...). Just because your big it doesnt mean your automatically dangerous in the ring or the 'O'. Ricky Hatton would beat up on Sonny if they fought, any boxer knows that, I'd give Sonny a punchers chance but his punches would be too slow and would only accommodate Hattons head movement.

Sonny does have a jab but he throws it going backwards and that lessons the power in it. He guards poorly its lucky these professionals hes fought havnt got a decent to nil amateur background otherwise Sonny would be getting schooled. Against Lewis he did far too many uneccesary movements, running was the biggest one, theres a way to stick and move and then theres just running, it worked against Lewis because Lewis fell into his trap and ran after him instead of trying to cut of the ring. Theres a few other things that I saw but just cant remember...

Sonny has raw ahtleticism had he boxed while he was younger he mightve been good. Hes learnt late and already he shows promise but theres just too much things for him to learn. His Boxing is good enough for these Australasian C-class heavyweights.

Hatton's head movement is very, very limited. Sonny has decent hand speed for a heavyweight and even though Hatton has fought quicker guys, he still wouldn't get in because he's very limited in his approach. Sonny wouldnn't be fighting backwards against Hatton, he'll plant his feet and really bully Hatton around with his reach and power advantage.

I know size doesn't matter sometimes, but Sonny is capable. He's still raw but he still can throw a jab and has a fairly nice right uppercut, they might not keep a decent Heavyweight away but to a welterweight, it'd be a scary thought getting hit with it, and they'd tread really cautiously. He might not hurt many decent heavyweights with his punches, but to a welterweight, it's another story. His approach would definitely be a lot different for a smaller fighter.

I knew it was about time someone talked about their regime in fight sports

 

[Frank Dux]

Think you might find I am quite well informed with this one. I suggest you re-think rather make it worse. SBW is not a good boxer and if he went up against true pro's he would get a beating! SBW should stick to the rugby.

You're quite the character. I'm no match for an Occasional boxing fan

 

[Sam Owen]

Sonny wouldnn't be fighting backwards against Hatton, he'll plant his feet and really bully Hatton around with his reach and power advantage.

Im not sure about that actually I doubt that. In my gym and in my lifetime Ive seen 6 foot plus heavies with power to boot that have boxed for years (most of them better than Sonny) get pumelled from very good welterweights in sparring. Theres no doubt that Sonny could hurt welterweights, no doubt at all but Ricky Hatton is no ordinary welterweight. Ricky wouldve sparred heavyweights that are on a higher level than Sonny way back when Sonny was just starting out at the Bulldogs camp.

 

[nickdnz]

Im not sure about that actually I doubt that. In my gym and in my lifetime Ive seen 6 foot plus heavies with power to boot that have boxed for years (most of them better than Sonny) get pumelled from very good welterweights in sparring. Theres no doubt that Sonny could hurt welterweights, no doubt at all but Ricky Hatton is no ordinary welterweight. Ricky wouldve sparred heavyweights that are on a higher level than Sonny way back when Sonny was just starting out at the Bulldogs camp.

I'm 6'3'' and 110kgs, and a red belt at Hapkido (there is no brown belt), and yet I've sparred with black belts who are 35kgs lighter than me, that have beaten me fairly comfortably on points. You're dead right, Sonny Bill Williams is a very good rugby player, but he's not a competant enough heavyweight boxer, to win against an experienced and high ranked boxer in many weight devisions.

 

[Frank Dux]

Im not sure about that actually I doubt that. In my gym and in my lifetime Ive seen 6 foot plus heavies with power to boot that have boxed for years (most of them better than Sonny) get pumelled from very good welterweights in sparring. Theres no doubt that Sonny could hurt welterweights, no doubt at all but Ricky Hatton is no ordinary welterweight. Ricky wouldve sparred heavyweights that are on a higher level than Sonny way back when Sonny was just starting out at the Bulldogs camp.

Yeah, but what are the results of Hatton's sparring with heavyweights?? Do you know? Hatton has very limited head and lateral movement, and he'd be walking right into Sonny's punches.

Where did you do your boxing, if I may ask?

 

[lucky number 7]

Yeah, but what are the results of Hatton's sparring with heavyweights?? Do you know? Hatton has very limited head and lateral movement, and he'd be walking right into Sonny's punches.

Where did you do your boxing, if I may ask?

Sonny was made go the full distance by an amateur ... regardless of the weight a man who built his life around boxing will beat him...in the same manner as if you were to put Ricky hatton in center against sonny bill... its just not going to be a fair fight.