The Official Sonny Bill Williams Thread

[Frank Dux]

I'd never say such a thing.

 

[lucky number 7]

I'd never say such a thing.

Troll ...

 

[Sam Owen]

If anything, the sparring with heavyweights would be very limited - if there is any at all.

Proof you've never done Boxing. Thats unbelievable you just said that.

You worded it, ''Ricky goes great against the greatest.'' He beat a past it Castillo and Tzsyu and he got done well by Mayweather and Pacman. So he didn't do that great against the greatest, which is Mayweather and Pacman in this era.

Have to correct you again, if you READ my post it says he fought Pacman and Mayweather, I didnt say he did great against them but getting up that ladder (especially in that division so rich in good Boxing talent) to fight them is respect enough in the Boxing world.

Roy's a bit of a special boxer, isn't he? Roy is super talented, far different to Hatton, stylistically and fighting level-wise.

You missed the point, you supposed to watch the video as it tells you how it is in a Boxing gym (something that you've made evident that you know nothing about sorry but what Im having to explain to you is the norm in a Boxing gym worldwide) but fair enough that you couldnt watch it. Roy is good and was great but Im just giving you an example of sparring between heavyweights and lighter weights which does happen a lot Frank in Boxing gyms.

The pound for pound best fighter in the gym will beat up on anyone in the gym regardless of their weight. Gabe Brown you has fought Sam Peter (who would KO Sonny) doesnt want to spar a lighter weight Roy due to previous difficult experiences. My point is some lighterweights are kingpins of their respective gyms, despite having other heavier A class fighters in the same gym. Do you finally understand that now about Boxing gyms?

Sometimes physical advantages and styles can make up the difference in experience.

Yeah no doubt, 'sometimes' being the key word here. However if you look at Sonny and his stiffness, poor defence, stick and move style (which is so common in sparring tall fighters) and lack of experience against a guy like Ricky whose experienced tall heavyweights in sparring with a far better stick and move game than Sonnys, in Sonnys case all that he has shown in Boxing doesnt warrant a defeat of Ricky Hatton.

but he won't beat guys like Pacman or Mayweather, because they bring far more to the table in defense.

Oh Sonny wouldnt even get close to these guys, not as close as Ricky got. Remember Frank I was the one that told you some of the names that Ricky has fought and some that he fought and beat because you said I was pushing it with Ricky fighting the greats. Did you know Kosta Tzsyu is a Boxing hall of famer?..you already got served on that one when you said 'I was pushing it' anyway because who has Sonny fought?...WHO?..thats right.

It is what it is.

Yeah Sonny is a Rugby player and Ricky is a former WBC, WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF Boxing champion. Dont get it twisted, it is what it is.

 

[nickdnz]

Proof you've never done Boxing. Thats unbelievable you just said that.



Have to correct you again, if you READ my post it says he fought Pacman and Mayweather, I didnt say he did great against them but getting up that ladder (especially in that division so rich in good Boxing talent) to fight them is respect enough in the Boxing world.




You missed the point, you supposed to watch the video as it tells you how it is in a Boxing gym (something that you've made evident that you know nothing about sorry but what Im having to explain to you is the norm in a Boxing gym worldwide) but fair enough that you couldnt watch it. Roy is good and was great but Im just giving you an example of sparring between heavyweights and lighter weights which does happen a lot Frank in Boxing gyms.

The pound for pound best fighter in the gym will beat up on anyone in the gym regardless of their weight. Gabe Brown you has fought Sam Peter (who would KO Sonny) doesnt want to spar a lighter weight Roy due to previous difficult experiences. My point is some lighterweights are kingpins of their respective gyms, despite having other heavier A class fighters in the same gym. Do you finally understand that now about Boxing gyms?




Yeah no doubt, 'sometimes' being the key word here. However if you look at Sonny and his stiffness, poor defence, stick and move style (which is so common in sparring tall fighters) and lack of experience against a guy like Ricky whose experienced tall heavyweights in sparring with a far better stick and move game than Sonnys, in Sonnys case all that he has shown in Boxing doesnt warrant a defeat of Ricky Hatton.



Oh Sonny wouldnt even get close to these guys, not as close as Ricky got. Remember Frank I was the one that told you some of the names that Ricky has fought and some that he fought and beat because you said I was pushing it with Ricky fighting the greats. Did you know Kosta Tzsyu is a Boxing hall of famer?..you already got served on that one when you said 'I was pushing it' anyway because who has Sonny fought?...WHO?..thats right.



Yeah Sonny is a Rugby player and Ricky is a former WBC, WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF Boxing champion. Dont get it twisted, it is what it is.

Sam has Frank on the ropes and...

K.O

 

[Frank Dux]

Proof you've never done Boxing. Thats unbelievable you just said that.



Have to correct you again, if you READ my post it says he fought Pacman and Mayweather, I didnt say he did great against them but getting up that ladder (especially in that division so rich in good Boxing talent) to fight them is respect enough in the Boxing world.




You missed the point, you supposed to watch the video as it tells you how it is in a Boxing gym (something that you've made evident that you know nothing about sorry but what Im having to explain to you is the norm in a Boxing gym worldwide) but fair enough that you couldnt watch it. Roy is good and was great but Im just giving you an example of sparring between heavyweights and lighter weights which does happen a lot Frank in Boxing gyms.

The pound for pound best fighter in the gym will beat up on anyone in the gym regardless of their weight. Gabe Brown you has fought Sam Peter (who would KO Sonny) doesnt want to spar a lighter weight Roy due to previous difficult experiences. My point is some lighterweights are kingpins of their respective gyms, despite having other heavier A class fighters in the same gym. Do you finally understand that now about Boxing gyms?




Yeah no doubt, 'sometimes' being the key word here. However if you look at Sonny and his stiffness, poor defence, stick and move style (which is so common in sparring tall fighters) and lack of experience against a guy like Ricky whose experienced tall heavyweights in sparring with a far better stick and move game than Sonnys, in Sonnys case all that he has shown in Boxing doesnt warrant a defeat of Ricky Hatton.



Oh Sonny wouldnt even get close to these guys, not as close as Ricky got. Remember Frank I was the one that told you some of the names that Ricky has fought and some that he fought and beat because you said I was pushing it with Ricky fighting the greats. Did you know Kosta Tzsyu is a Boxing hall of famer?..you already got served on that one when you said 'I was pushing it' anyway because who has Sonny fought?...WHO?..thats right.



Yeah Sonny is a Rugby player and Ricky is a former WBC, WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF Boxing champion. Dont get it twisted, it is what it is.

You say he spars heavyweights but you haven't seen him do it. It's really funny that you assume that everyone does things the way you've experienced boxing.

You said it, not me. I was just quoting what you said back in your previous post.

The best pound for pound won't necessarily beat anyone in the gym. It just depends who's in your gym, doesn't it?

When you have that long a reach and height difference, your defense won't be as exposed that easily, especially by Hatton, someone with very limited head movement. Yet again, you're assuming he has sparred tall heavyweights, and you don't know the results of the sparring either. You're just going off blind faith.

Maybe, but this isn't about SBW vs Tzsyu or Castillo, it's SBW vs Hatton. It's not always A fighter beats B fighter, C fighter beats B fighter, so C fighter should beat A fighter, right? I know exactly who Kosta Tzsyu is and I know he's a hall of famer, possibly Australia's best(unless you consider him as just Russian), along side Fenech but he was at the end of his career then and that's all I was pointing out. I was referring to both Mayweather and Pacman when I said 'you're pushing it', so I think you need to save the servings.

Exactly, Sonny's a rugby player but he has the tools to beat Hatton, the former WBC, WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF Boxing champion.

Seems we'll be going forever at this.

What country did you do your boxing? Samoa?

 

[Charles]

What country did you do your boxing? Samoa?

 

[Teh Mite]

You say he spars heavyweights but you haven't seen him do it. It's really funny that you assume that everyone does things the way you've experienced boxing.

You said it, not me. I was just quoting what you said back in your previous post.

The best pound for pound won't necessarily beat anyone in the gym. It just depends who's in your gym, doesn't it?

When you have that long a reach and height difference, your defense won't be as exposed that easily, especially by Hatton, someone with very limited head movement. Yet again, you're assuming he has sparred tall heavyweights, and you don't know the results of the sparring either. You're just going off blind faith.

Maybe, but this isn't about SBW vs Tzsyu or Castillo, it's SBW vs Hatton. It's not always A fighter beats B fighter, C fighter beats B fighter, so C fighter should beat A fighter, right? I know exactly who Kosta Tzsyu is and I know he's a hall of famer, possibly Australia's best(unless you consider him as just Russian), along side Fenech but he was at the end of his career then and that's all I was pointing out. I was referring to both Mayweather and Pacman when I said 'you're pushing it', so I think you need to save the servings.

Exactly, Sonny's a rugby player but he has the tools to beat Hatton, the former WBC, WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF Boxing champion.

Seems we'll be going forever at this.

What country did you do your boxing? Samoa?

 

[Sam Owen]

You say he spars heavyweights but you haven't seen him do it. It's really funny that you assume that everyone does things the way you've experienced boxing.

You said it, not me. I was just quoting what you said back in your previous post.

The best pound for pound won't necessarily beat anyone in the gym. It just depends who's in your gym, doesn't it?

When you have that long a reach and height difference, your defense won't be as exposed that easily, especially by Hatton, someone with very limited head movement. Yet again, you're assuming he has sparred tall heavyweights, and you don't know the results of the sparring either. You're just going off blind faith.

Maybe, but this isn't about SBW vs Tzsyu or Castillo, it's SBW vs Hatton. It's not always A fighter beats B fighter, C fighter beats B fighter, so C fighter should beat A fighter, right? I know exactly who Kosta Tzsyu is and I know he's a hall of famer, possibly Australia's best(unless you consider him as just Russian), along side Fenech but he was at the end of his career then and that's all I was pointing out. I was referring to both Mayweather and Pacman when I said 'you're pushing it', so I think you need to save the servings.

Exactly, Sonny's a rugby player but he has the tools to beat Hatton, the former WBC, WBO, WBA, IBO and IBF Boxing champion.

Seems we'll be going forever at this.

What country did you do your boxing? Samoa?

I give up I honeslty know this sport very very well and Im arguing with a guy thats never been to a Boxing gym. Arguing with you is unbelievable its like trying to tell you B comes after A, that how sure I am. I QUIT!!...theres no getting through to you.

 

[Frank Dux]

I have been to a boxing gym, too many assumptions with you. Oh well, sad to see this discussion end :L

 

[lucky number 7]

I have been to a boxing gym,

I have been in a Kitchen . doesnt make me a Chef

 

[Frank Dux]

I have been in a Kitchen . doesnt make me a Chef

So? He simply assumed I hadn't been to a gym, but that's not true.

 

[Sam Owen]

I have been to a boxing gym, too many assumptions with you. Oh well, sad to see this discussion end :L

What about you lol?...you assume Sonny could beat Hatton lol hypocrit and Ive shown you up. Youve never been to a Boxing gym or youd know what Im talking about.

It is sad to see it end but I was learning nothing from you, in fact I was giving out most of the info. I provided new perspectives into our debate you just had questions (some irrelavent).

 

[Frank Dux]

Nice to see you laughing, I thought you had lost some hair with the last post. You're probably right, you already saw Hatton spar tall heavyweights, you showed me evidence too, so you must know if I've been to a boxing gym or not ^_^

 

[lucky number 7]

Nice to see you laughing, I thought you had lost some hair with the last post. You're probably right, you already saw Hatton spar tall heavyweights, you showed me evidence too, so you must know if I've been to a boxing gym or not ^_^

Your an awful ******

 

[Teh Mite]

Ease up on the name calling please.

 

[Sam Owen]

Nice to see you laughing, I thought you had lost some hair with the last post. You're probably right, you already saw Hatton spar tall heavyweights, you showed me evidence too, so you must know if I've been to a boxing gym or not ^_^

Like I said before many times but you dont seem to comprehend (360), its just a normal thing for you to do in a Boxing gym to spar different styles and weight classes, its good for your Boxing. If you've Boxed you'd know this, you probably have been to a gym but just to watch so Im wrong in that sense (thats if youve been??). To be fair I have no proof of Ricky sparring heavyweights but if you asked the Boxing general they'd tell you 'of course he has'.

We've both made assumptions, you've had a lot of questions, I had a lot of answers.

I provided info to take the debate further and forward into new ground but not astray from the initial debate, you backtracked and asked valid and irrelavent questions keeping the debate going round and round and now your on about somthin else that we've already covered (proof of Ricky sparring heavies) Ive explained to you its a normal thing in Boxing gyms. You said you couldnt watch my video I provided, I understood that and left it there but you, you go over the same stuff.

Ive read some of your posts on Rugby and they're good, I even visited your home page. I can tell your a big fan of Sonny and you wont believe this but so am I but when it comes to Boxing and Sonny, oh actually just Boxing, you come across tunnel visioned.

You made mistakes in that post of yours that I replied with the Colin Farrell clip, undenialble mistakes but I decided that path just wont make you see what Im tryin to say and thats why I didnt correct you.

Ricky and Sonny would never fight and I think we'd covered a useless subject, its so sad because I didnt learn a thing.

 

[candybum]

Frank Dux... are you really serious? c'mon maaan

 

[TRF_Cymro]

A first class WUM there!

 

[Gavin]

SBW is all about the money

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/news/4650974/SBW-set-to-stay-in-NZ-after-sportswear-deal

Rugby's newest superstar Sonny Bill Williams admits there's now a chance he could stay in New Zealand beyond this year's World Cup after signing a global sponsorship deal with adidas.
The Sunday Star-Times can reveal that Williams will today be unveiled as the latest international star to join the adidas stable, and it's understood the deal adds appreciably to the Crusaders and All Blacks midfielder's income via his NZRU deal.
Williams has just completed a popular TV campaign with retailer Rebel Sports, and adidas have been quick to snap him up on the back of that. He joins their global stable which also includes rugby's Jonah Lomu, Richie McCaw and Dan Carter, as well as the likes of David Beckham and Lionel Messi in football and Dwight Howard and Derrick Rose in basketball.
But it's his future beyond this year's World Cup in New Zealand that now comes sharply into focus, with the cross-codes star being wooed by French rugby, Russell Crowe's South Sydney among others in the NRL and also by his current employers to stay right where he is. He's also pondering taking his dalliance with boxing to a more serious level.
The fact that the chief sponsor of New Zealand rugby, and the All Blacks, has established such a high-level partnership with Williams is significant. It indicates not only that key interests are gathering behind the popular dual international, but that the player and his management must now be realising the scale of what can be achieved in that famous black jersey.
"I've said all along as a sportsman, just like as a businessman, you want to have options," said Williams in an exclusive interview with the Star-Times. "You don't want to be held into one thing where that's all I can do. It's always good to have those options. [But] the eyes don't lie and if you don't perform on the field you're not going to be wanted.
"I could definitely see myself staying in New Zealand after the World Cup because I love playing for the All Blacks, I've loved my time in that black jersey and I want to play in it again.
"Then again I can see myself doing other things too. I'm 25, turning 26, I'm not going to be around forever. For me at this stage it's just about getting out there for the Crusaders and having a good Super Rugby season."
Williams admitted, however, that his short time in the All Blacks had started to open his eyes to the power of that famous team and its brand.
You're in pretty good company when you play for the All Blacks, and if you do well then offers and people wanting you to play for them and all that kind of jazz will come. But you've got to get into that black jersey first, bro, you know what I mean."
Williams would not say whether the adidas partnership was linked to him being in the All Blacks, but did confirm it was "incentive-based" and that was the way he preferred it.
"If I don't perform I don't get paid," he added with a smile.
Williams, who played four tests with the All Blacks on last year's tour north, said he was proud to be asked to join the adidas stable (he was a Nike man during his NRL career in Australia) and he put it down to nothing more than his "dedication and hard work paying off".
"It comes with a bit of pressure to perform," added the former Bulldogs and Kiwis star. "Since I've been back [in New Zealand] I've been under pressure and the spotlight's been on me. It's nothing new. It's a long road ahead, I'm still the new boy, I've still got a lot of things to prove. I haven't had a Super Rugby season yet and want have a good one."
To that end the stress fracture in his leg that has limited his rugby training is healing well and he hopes to be back running freely within "a week or two".
He added: "I feel in the best shape I've ever felt, and that's mainly due to the boxing. I haven't felt this fit before. I'd say it wouldn't take me too long to get up speed."
The new adidas athlete couldn't confirm whether he would fight again this year or not, but did say rugby was "No 1 on my agenda".

Typical; what an arse.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Sorry how is he an arse, and really does this need a new thread, surely should go into the other threads about SBW you make Gavin.