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Pascal Papé's behaviour

Can someone supply a English translation of what pape said? Sorry I don't speak French and feel like I may do him a disservice and saying he didn't say stuff when he did.

Anyway with his public apology in it if he said he'd spoken to Heaslip I can understand why he made it public and fairplay to him. As you can send out multiple tweets he is not limited to 140 characters.
 
ncurd said:
Can someone supply a English translation of what pape said? Sorry I don't speak French and feel like I may do him a disservice and saying he didn't say stuff when he did.
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my French is less than perfect but it's roughly:

"My sincerest of apologies to Jamie Healsip for injuring him during the game, it was not my intention to do him harm: #objectivityforsome"

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TRF_Hulkster said:
Depends on how you judge and see 140 characters I suppose.

Also to make a public apology, people can see he has at least attempted to say sorry for what he has done.
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both good points.
 
It is very possible that he spoke to Heaslip in private and both (along with legal counsel) decided it was a good idea to make the apology (and the acceptance of the apology) public. After all, a bit of this also reflects on Heaslip's character - is he a true gentleman, or is he going to hold grudges? I'm just thinking of that whole Kurtley Beale fiasco last year, and how keeping apologies and whatnot secret blew up in Australia's face. Best get both players' feelings on the matter out in the open, if for nothing more than to squelch wild speculations and unnecessary controversy.

Side question - anyone know when Pape's review comes up?



das
 
10 week ban for pape according bbc news sports feed

So beginning of May he returns...no more six nations, 5 rounds of top 14 but will play final 3 rounds,

Personally I'd have banned him for the rest of the season but I think that's pretty fair.
 
Seems slightly too long if you compare it to Schalk Burger's 8 weeks for gouging, didn't even apologise to Fitzgerald and for some reason Pape's entry point was 15 weeks and his remorse made it only 10 weeks. Don't understand the disciplinary committee sometimes.
 
ncurd said:
10 week ban for pape according bbc news sports feed

So beginning of May he returns...no more six nations, 5 rounds of top 14 but will play final 3 rounds,

Personally I'd have banned him for the rest of the season but I think that's pretty fair.
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Fair enough. We could argue whether or not he deserved a longer ban, but I think 10 weeks sends a clear message all the way round. A shorter ban would have raised too many questions as to how seriously these infringements are taken (as well as possible accusations of favoritism, etc), and a longer ban could have turned the debate in the opposite direction with complaints that you shouldn't mete out an overly harsh punishment for a player being physical in a physically-demanding game. Ten weeks - that's two and a half months - plenty of time for Pape and everyone else to reflect on where physicality in rugby ends, and brutality begins.


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ae15 said:
Seems slightly too long if you compare it to Schalk Burger's 8 weeks for gouging, didn't even apologise to Fitzgerald and for some reason Pape's entry point was 15 weeks and his remorse made it only 10 weeks. Don't understand the disciplinary committee sometimes.
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Well, that was 5 years ago so maybe they've tightened things up a bit. Also, I think (if I recall correctly) it could be debated whether Burger was going for the eye, or just grabbing his face in general. It still was a terrible thing to do, but there may have been other factors involved in their decision (such as Burger's track record, his explanation to the review board, etc).

I'm not going to question the board's decision in comparison to other decisions they've made. I think this one is fair and sends the right message to other players who may be inclined to engage in a bit of foul play.


das
 
ae15 said:
Seems slightly too long if you compare it to Schalk Burger's 8 weeks for gouging, didn't even apologise to Fitzgerald and for some reason Pape's entry point was 15 weeks and his remorse made it only 10 weeks. Don't understand the disciplinary committee sometimes.
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This! Does anyone know where World Rugby's guidelines are available? I'd have thought that the guidelines used for incidents in internationals should be the same as are used by individual unions. The article I read (scrum.com) says that the maximum sanction PP could have received is 15 weeks, where as the RFU Recommended Sanctions document proscribes 15 weeks as the entry point for a top end offence (the entry point for a lower end offence is 4 weeks), while the maximum sanction is 52 weeks.

Reducing the sanction for expressing remorse is ridiculous - any player who doesn't express remorse after such an incident is an idiot (as is his coach for not telling him to do it), surely this should be an expectation of any player who has transgressed (i.e. failure to do so may extend the ban), not an act worthy of a reduced ban. At club level, I have yet to see a citing transcript that didn't have a standard phrase about showing remorse and apologising to opponent and referee copy and pasted into it!

Also, what about PP's previous disciplinary record? Isn't this taken into account in international hearings? Assuming his club record counts, surely it's enough to counteract what a good boy he is for showing 140 characters worth of highly transparent contrition.
 
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Glad to see Vahaamahina back in the squad anyway, not sure about Papé making the World Cup now, that would be a severe, but deserved, punishment.
 
How long did Healy get banned for stamping on Cole a couple of years back?
 
TommiG88 said:
How long did Healy get banned for stamping on Cole a couple of years back?
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Not meaning to single you out, but I don't really think that the posts seeking to compare this incident to ones in the past are too constructive.

Unlike RFU rulings, the transcripts don't seem to be publicly (detailing things like provocation, previous and contrition), nor can we look at the guidelines of the time.

I would rather judge this case on its merits, but the difficulty of obtaining the relevant documents from World Rugby makes it hard to do this (unless they are using the same parameters as the RFU).
 
RedruthRFC said:
Not meaning to single you out, but I don't really think that the posts seeking to compare this incident to ones in the past are too constructive.

Unlike RFU rulings, the transcripts don't seem to be publicly (detailing things like provocation, previous and contrition), nor can we look at the guidelines of the time.

I would rather judge this case on its merits, but the difficulty of obtaining the relevant documents from World Rugby makes it hard to do this (unless they are using the same parameters as the RFU).
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I just want to compare two incidents that are equal in my eyes. I think 10 weeks is a bit over the top, I was expecting around 4-6 weeks but year on year the bans are getting harsher.
 
I think the 10 weeks given is a fair punishment, specially when he has poor disciplinary record prior to this incident.
 
TommiG88 said:
I just want to compare two incidents that are equal in my eyes. I think 10 weeks is a bit over the top, I was expecting around 4-6 weeks but year on year the bans are getting harsher.
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If players just aren't getting the message then you don't want to be rewarding bad behavior by handing out lighter punishments.


das
 

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