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Ireland - England @ New Landsdowne Road, Dublin (27-08-2011, 14:30 GMT)

Who'll win?

  • Ireland to find form

    Votes: 29 59.2%
  • England to break the duck

    Votes: 20 40.8%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
You only just beat them in the 6nations with a last second dropgoal from O'gara ;).

Good to see Sheridan back. MJ has to stick with Wilko, Tindal and Tuilagi now really. + Armitage is proving that he should be on that left wing instead of Queto? How slow was Queto when he intercepted that ball? Or was he allready carrying an injury then? Things are starting to take shape, just hope its in time.
 
You can see that he pulls his hamstring (or whatever it was) as he starts running with the intercept - he signals to the sideline when he gets back up out of the ruck and is hobbling quite a lot until he goes off a minute or two later
 
If it was any other English winger he'd have been away and under the posts. Time to drop Cueto for Armitage, who doesn't score one try every 2 years.
 
Meh, I know you hate Cueto but you can hardly blame him for twisting an ankle or whatever stopping a certain try....
 
1) Please spell cueto"s name right! 2) pick on someone your own speed! Nah but seriously youi can't think about dropping someone unless you know therrs a better replacement. I know armitage was good on the wing yest but in general I think we should build his form and confidence up by playing him in the right place, and he's not a starting winger. Then next in line probably banahan, no comment needed.io know that going by our 40 man squad sharples would be after that which would be brilliant but I tihnk johnson0 would go for monye or someone. Who is fast but then so was forrest gump. Can see why ppl don't like cueto but....he's good.

I wonder how mj thought the haskell at 8 has gone. Its great having someone at 8 both strong and quick. And I remember haskell in an interview a few years ago saying ultimately he wanted to be englands new dalaglio at 8. Also I sort of wish we had room0for fourie in our squad, had such an impact yesterday.
 
Far from it. Cueto has only recently gone down in my books. I don't 'hate' any of the England players, but I don't like; Hape, Bananamagahan or Easter. I used to 'hate' Armitage until he started counter attacking again and stopped punching people. But these boys have now been chosen and I will back them to the death.
 
Argh keep putting the Q infront of Ceuto. :S!!! Ceuto would be a different kind of winger to Armitage but I would like to see Armitage given a start.

Liked Haskell at 8. very explosive and had some good carries, if he can learn all thats needed to play 8. Before the WC I'd have him over Easter any day. Also think Fourie would have more impact than Wood? Given there recent performances in an England shirt? But then again that's been decided.
 
the reasons Cueto is in the team ahead of the likes of Simpson-Daniel, Ojo, Sharples and Monye are that he is reliable and makes few mistakes and doesn't get injured and miss as many matches as the names mentioned above so has got in the team and hasn't done enough to dis-earn his spot (although in Sharples case because he's a rookie and Johnson doesn't like them)
 
the reasons Cueto is in the team ahead of the likes of Simpson-Daniel, Ojo, Sharples and Monye are that he is reliable and makes few mistakes and doesn't get injured and miss as many matches as the names mentioned above so has got in the team and hasn't done enough to dis-earn his spot (although in Sharples case because he's a rookie and Johnson doesn't like them)

You're right, Johnson doesn't like rookies, he'd never take a 19 year old centre with 2 caps to the World Cup, or start a 20 year old with 1 cap against a SH team on their own patch, or play a half-back pairing with an average age of 22 in his first match, or pick a front row with an average age of 23...

Oh wait, hang on, he's done all of that and you're talking out of his arse.

You'd be more accurate to say Johnson doesn't like Sharples because he's from Gloucester.

Genuine alternatives to Cueto should have been trialled way back. I don't care how solid he is, there are Scottish test wingers who are more dangerous to the tryline than him these days and thats as low as it gets. However, we could do worse.
 
You only just beat them in the 6nations with a last second dropgoal from O'gara ;).

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Naysayer! ;) A win's a win. Nobody beat Italy very easily if you remember. A full strength team should win. It's our last game of the group so it's a long way away - injuries may play a part. Ireland has a bigger squad than Italy etc. etc.
 
Cueto deserves his spot in the team, he is very good in defence, kicking and nearly always goes over the gainline. I'd just have someone else in for Banahan but that's done just have to discuss who's playing now, no point talking about Sharples etc. anymore they're not in the squad.
 
Naysayer! ;) A win's a win. Nobody beat Italy very easily if you remember. A full strength team should win. It's our last game of the group so it's a long way away - injuries may play a part. Ireland has a bigger squad than Italy etc. etc.

England did :p ;). But ofcourse you guys are going to beat Italy just can't see you getting much than the QF seeing you most likely have to play SA.
 
Naysayer! ;) A win's a win. Nobody beat Italy very easily if you remember. A full strength team should win. It's our last game of the group so it's a long way away - injuries may play a part. Ireland has a bigger squad than Italy etc. etc.


Bahahahahahahaha
 
We'd have Kearney against S.A. though and as they just keep kicking to him we're suited to beating them. Just don't give away penalties.
 
Cueto deserves his spot in the team, he is very good in defence, kicking and nearly always goes over the gainline.
True story
Obviously it'd be nice to see him score more tries, but he does enough to warrant his spot in the squad
He's very hard to put down for some reason, he gets tackled and manages to worm his way another few metres forward, which in "a game of inches" is important
His defence is more than solid, and his clearance kicking is also good, as is his work under the high ball
Looking at stats he beat the most defenders for England in the two matches vs Wales, and was 2nd only to James Hook on the Welsh team

Looking through the 6N stats he got through more tackles than the forwards in some matches, and got more turnovers too - Against France he made 11 tackles and got 2 turnovers, only Haskell made more tackles (12) and noone beat him for turnovers (or equalled him)
 
You're right, Johnson doesn't like rookies, he'd never take a 19 year old centre with 2 caps to the World Cup, or start a 20 year old with 1 cap against a SH team on their own patch, or play a half-back pairing with an average age of 22 in his first match, or pick a front row with an average age of 23...

Oh wait, hang on, he's done all of that and you're talking out of his arse.

You'd be more accurate to say Johnson doesn't like Sharples because he's from Gloucester.

Genuine alternatives to Cueto should have been trialled way back. I don't care how solid he is, there are Scottish test wingers who are more dangerous to the tryline than him these days and thats as low as it gets. However, we could do worse.

I didn't say he never picked rookies, I think he's suspicious of them and prefers to stay with the likes of Tindall etc

Tuilagi had to come into the side due to the lacklustre centre combination before he came in, but given a 50/50 choice between a Sharples and a Cueto, Johnno will always opt for a the Cueto
 
You're right, Johnson doesn't like rookies, he'd never take a 19 year old centre with 2 caps to the World Cup, or start a 20 year old with 1 cap against a SH team on their own patch, or play a half-back pairing with an average age of 22 in his first match, or pick a front row with an average age of 23...

Oh wait, hang on, he's done all of that and you're talking out of his arse.

You'd be more accurate to say Johnson doesn't like Sharples because he's from Gloucester.

Genuine alternatives to Cueto should have been trialled way back. I don't care how solid he is, there are Scottish test wingers who are more dangerous to the tryline than him these days and thats as low as it gets. However, we could do worse.

Johnson' PR man?

As England coach, he's had 3 years to prepare for this world cup, and the largest player base, plus a very strong domestic competition, to select from. The talent's always been there for him.

Yet we go into this world cup with a sketchy back row, with just two possible options at 10, with no idea who to play in the centres, and with a slow and unprolific winger (who happens to be the best option that's been tried out...)

Compare that to Robbie Deans, who's had the same period of time to prepare for this world cup, just that he's coach of a country that barely cares about rugby union and has barely five professional teams to select from. Yet they've beaten the All Blacks twice in the last two years and have just won the tri nations, and are rightfully second-favourites to win the RWC.

Who's Johnson picked as 'breakthrough' players who've proven a success?
Dan Cole, 6N 2010. ****ing obvious since he was tearing up the premiership and England had no tighthead.
Courtney Lawes, again ****ing obvious but [strike]could[/strike] should have been involved more in 6N 2010.
Tom Wood, not for want of trying to pick Fourie, Worsley, Moody, and about anyone else not good enough/ not English in the back row.
Ben Youngs, another one you'd be to stupid to miss.
Manu Tuilagi, ****ing obvious.
Chris Ashton, only for the Australia tour when he was probably ready beforehand.
Ben Foden, only after four shockers from Delon.
Delon Armitage, with England in a fullback crisis, as the only guy fit (despite having been one of the best in the prem for two seasons beforehand).

Pat on the back for them, but then, since it's his job to watch the premiership and pick talented English guys (and build them into a team to compete for the 2011 world cup), not that big a pat for him.

How about those he's missed?

problems in the back row, no caps for Chris Robshaw. No out-and-out 7, but when has Andy Saull (or even Steffon Armitage) been involved? One game given to Crane, nothing to Narraway and not enough to Haskell at 8, not to mention the likes of Dowson, etc.

Joe Simpson goes to the RWC without a cap.

Owen Farrell spent the summer ****ing around with the U20s despite just having won Saracens the premiership. Why wasn't he even in the EPS??

Two best 12s in the premiership, Allen and Barritt, might go down with Cole, Lawes, Youngs etc. in the ****ing obvious category. Yet no sign of them.

Back 3 spaces, and we've seen nothing of Topsy Ojo since he scored 2 tries in 2 caps on a **** tour of NZ, plus a lot of solid premiership form since. We've seen nothing of Simpson-Daniel. We've seen 15 minutes of Charlie Sharples. And nothing of James Short.

Yet we've seen Matt Banahan, Shontayne Hape, Ayoola Erinle etc. get thrust into the England starting lineup, often out of position, on a number of different occasions.

Johnson doesn't like rookies, fact. If they stare him in the face and there's no one old/ foreign/ from rugby league/ from Bath who we could possibly call up, then they'll get a go. Otherwise, he doesn't like rookies.
 
Bahahahahahahaha
at home I mean. They played you away - sorry, & they did beat France at home too. Plus they ran u close at home last year - 12 - 17 or did u forget. Let's see how they do on the road. Yeah, they could beat us.. but by your reckoning, they could beat France too, if they were to play them...
 
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Yet we've seen Matt Banahan, Shontayne Hape, Ayoola Erinle etc. get thrust into the England starting lineup, often out of position, on a number of different occasions.

Johnson doesn't like rookies, fact. If they stare him in the face and there's no one old/ foreign/ from rugby league/ from Bath who we could possibly call up, then they'll get a go. Otherwise, he doesn't like rookies.

I agree here, Johnno won't pick rookies if he can avoid it

and from that list of breakthrough players:

Dan Cole - only made the team in 2010 due to injury to Vickery and Julian White, even Duncan Bell had been preferred in the Autumn series previous

Courtney Lawes - put in like 8 matches later than he should have been, was on the bench behind bloomin' Borthwick!!!

Tom Wood - again was only given a chance due to injuries

Ben Youngs - still took a few matches later than he should have been, could have played 6 Nations 2010, yet Paul Hodgson and Danny Care were preferred

Chris Ashton - again several matches later than he should have been, but Johnno finally realised Monye is a poor finisher

Ben Foden - only after four shockers by Armitage
 

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