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The Oggmonster said:
So did Boris decide to bring forward the announcement that non essential shops will reopen on 15 June from Thursday to yesterday just to diffuse the Cummings row? I thought they had to wait until the 5 tests had been met and that the Government were legally obliged to review current measures every 3 weeks which if I'm not mistaken is Thursday. For the sake of three days why not wait until Thursday which still gives shops over two weeks to prepare?
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Well the obvious answer was of course he announced to deflect from Dom.

He did stress it was provisional probably because they will have to be pushed back.

Can enter shops but still can't go visit family members....
 
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Well the obvious answer was of course he announced to deflect from Dom.

He did stress it was provisional probably because they will have to be pushed back.

Can enter shops but still can't go visit family members....
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So obvious that nobody in the media called him out for it. It's highly irresponsible using public health measures as a sweetener to diffuse a political row. What if the five tests aren't met? It just gets worse day by day.
 
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The Oggmonster said:
So did Boris decide to bring forward the announcement that non essential shops will reopen on 15 June from Thursday to yesterday just to diffuse the Cummings row? I thought they had to wait until the 5 tests had been met and that the Government were legally obliged to review current measures every 3 weeks which if I'm not mistaken is Thursday. For the sake of three days why not wait until Thursday which still gives shops over two weeks to prepare?
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Wait, you actually believed that. I'm a teacher and while I support children coming back to schools, I have expected children to return regardless of the data. According the Johnson originally it would happen if the R number continued to fall and since then he has made a point that the R number is key. However since that original announcement the R number has actually gone up and is closer to 1, yet they are still pushing forward. It's political because they want to be seen to be doing something positive.

For me its less about the R number and more about having a decent testing system and a decent track and trace system that will enable life to resume. You're never truly going to stop the virus without some kind of mass immunity, either herd immunity which requires the population to get it (and the evidence is sketchy on if people get lasting immunity) or a vaccine, which most people don't expect until next year. We don't have a decent testing system as tests take too long to give a result still. there is no real structure to testing as anyone who has symptoms and feels like it signing up can get one and I'm sure many people without symptoms have taken up slots just to put themselves at ease regardless. We definitely don't have a decent track and trace system as it's still being put together and I don't have much faith that it will be 'world beating' as the prime minister put it. My main concern is they still seem to be pushing ahead with symptoms rather than positive test results. Firstly people are still unclear about the exact symptoms, including the experts, as loss of taste and smell was only just recently added in the U.K. Second, especially in the wake of Cummings, more people are likely to ignore it. Either they will feel fine and need to go to work or they may even have symptoms, but say they need to work or their family will be at risk.

The government has been far too worried about the politics of this from the start and not on doing the best job possible. As a schools example, they cite Denmark as an example. Yet Denmark has a limit of 10-12 pupils a class and Britain we are doing 15. They have installed extra washing stations around the schools, we are just sticking with the few that already exist. They will push ahead regardless and then blame the public for not following the rules when the numbers don't continue to drop or go back up.
 
I also noted that they are now a bit less precise with their R rate estimate. Before they were saying they believed it to be close to 0.6/0.7 and now it's suddenly between 0.5 and 1.
 
Up to 21 MPs on the government benches saying Cummings must go publicly and started to snow ball in the last hour.
 
Spent half and hour arguing about Cummings supposed autistic child. How hard is basic fact checking? If you can't verify it no matter how justified it might be (it probably isn't) you can not use it as defence and state it as a fact.
 
Anyone remember that time about oh - three weeks, and half a lifetime ago? We were all aghast that America was having to send Doctors out there telling people not to drink bleach to protect against coronavirus?
Welp - we're now sending opticians out there to say that driving 60 miles with your kid in the car is not an evidence-based approach to testing your visual acuity!
 
God this government really knows how stick their foot in it.

Now people possibly fined For childcare reasons might be left off, further continuing the if you did nothing suffered your a mug and and don't care enough line.
 
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The article itself did not show in full when I first read it. There a re personal circumstances towards the end that lead me to believe the MP in question can create enough reasonable doubt that he was unaware of breech of lockdown at his house.
 
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