A Political Thread

[TRF_Olyy]

I'm nervous about a 2nd ref, not gonna lie.
Have enough people switched/non-voters been mobilised by the last two years?
Leavers are more deadset than ever.
How many who voted last time won't this time cause they're so sick of the ordeal?

I thought remain would cruise it last time, so I don't trust myself to make a prediction.

 

[Amiga500]

I'm nervous about a 2nd ref, not gonna lie.
Have enough people switched/non-voters been mobilised by the last two years?
Leavers are more deadset than ever.
How many who voted last time won't this time cause they're so sick of the ordeal?

I thought remain would cruise it last time, so I don't trust myself to make a prediction.

Surely they cannot be dumb enough to fall for Boris & Goves "Rivers of Chocolate and money trees everywhere" line again?

 

[Which Tyler]

Surely they cannot be dumb enough to fall for Boris & Goves "Rivers of Chocolate and money trees everywhere" line again?

Never underestimate the stupidity of the voting public

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Never underestimate the stupidity of the voting public

True only have to look at the recent TRFies awards to see that

 

[Leonormous Boozer]

How many old leave voters will have kicked the bucket and remain voters come of voting age since the referendum? The split was what 1 million voters?

 

[ncurd]

I'm nervous about a 2nd ref, not gonna lie.
Have enough people switched/non-voters been mobilised by the last two years?
Leavers are more deadset than ever.
How many who voted last time won't this time cause they're so sick of the ordeal?

I thought remain would cruise it last time, so I don't trust myself to make a prediction.

Its our only hope Kenobi.

Seriously I'm frightened as **** we'll go down the same route or even vote for no deal. But I still can't think of a different legitimate way we can call the entire damn thing off.

 

[McTallshort]

Its our only hope Kenobi.

Seriously I'm frightened as **** we'll go down the same route or even vote for no deal. But I still can't think of a different legitimate way we can call the entire damn thing off.

What if its 52% 48% in favour of remain? Do we run it again?

 

[ncurd]

What if its 52% 48% in favour of remain? Do we run it again?

I've said it before I'm happy with a requirement of a super majority.

I do however state voters should know exactly what they voting for leave and that should be the option. Not hopes and dreams like last time.

 

[Dai Yorkshire]

I think posters here underestimate, lets do the ref again, if its leave again how do you suppose the politicians would do a better job.

 

[ncurd]

I think posters here underestimate, lets do the ref again, if its leave again how do you suppose the politicians would do a better job.

The referendum has to be on detail do we take May's deal, do we no deal and go to WTO or do we remain. If it was 'lets try this again and see what happens' I think you'll find everyone would call it stupid.

 

[Which Tyler]

Safe, but not comfortable
200 : 117

That's... interesting. Civil war still not decided.

And she won't lead the conservatives through a 2022 election; though she doesn't rule out leading them through a 2021 snap election...

 

[ncurd]

Now to see what the 117 do next...

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Lol JRM spinning a yarn as usual.

 

[Which Tyler]

Definitely close enough to interest labour; but not close enough to give them confidence

 

[ncurd]

He only needs carry 45% of those MP's with no help from other parties assuming his party all vote for it.

He needs to roll the dice now though waiting for a Brexit vote will fail.

 

[Reiser99]

He only needs carry 45% of those MP's with no help from other parties assuming his party all vote for it.

He needs to roll the dice now though waiting for a Brexit vote will fail.

Problem is those 45% only care about themselves, you really think they are going to risk their seats and a Labour government? Having said that maybe they are. However I think most like JRM want Brexit because they see profit in the long run and won't actually vote with Labour just on principles to get Brexit through.

 

[ncurd]

Its an interesting question a lot of the ERG ted to be from safe seats JRM for instance commands a 19% majority.

The question is do they see a GE as a way of more likely getting the no deal Brexit they desire.

We won't have a Labour goverment...Corbyn is too disliked by the center ground.

 

[LeinsterMan (NotTigsMan)]

Would it be too much to hope for, that with May now unlikely to stand for re-election she might take it too a second referendum at the very least?

 

[Reiser99]

Problem has always been that as a whole this country has never agreed on a single unified Brexit despite all the rhetoric about how the people voted and they knew what they wanted etc... People voted for different reasons and for different ideas of what Brexit would be and 52% to 48% shows how divided the country is on Brexit. We also have a conservative party that is divided on Brexit, a Labour party divided on Brexit, and then lots of smaller parties with either no real influence or who only care about their small corner of Britain. I am genuinely staggered by those people who think this could have gone any other way.
From the outset the government never had a clear vision or plan because nobody could actually agree on what Brexit meant (Brexit means Brexit, duh!). This was always going to be the end result and the only way there might have been a sliver of hope was if Theresa May had created a cross parliamentary group to create a united vision for Brexit that was then voted on by parliament and had the backing of the house before triggering article 50. However MP's are ******* children, so even if she had tried, she would never have got a decision.
I honestly think she got a fantastic deal from the E.U and a better one than I was expecting they would ever give. However it has been clear that voters and MP's will never agree on a deal because people's views are so far apart and they just refuse to discuss it properly and come to a compromise. At this stage I honestly don't know what will happen because MP's are so selfish and ignorant that I can see us finally ending up with anything from no deal to a second referendum and the majority of it might depend on the emotional whims of MP's on the day.

On a side note I want to punch Theresa May in the face every time she says the words "National Interest". If she had had the national interest at heart she would never have triggered article 50 so fast and never held a snap election to try and win a few more seats. Her problems tbh are all her own doing and while she was never going to get a better deal she deserves very little sympathy.

 

[Dai Yorkshire]

The referendum has to be on detail do we take May's deal, do we no deal and go to WTO or do we remain. If it was 'lets try this again and see what happens' I think you'll find everyone would call it stupid.

But that's a loaded Referendum, two choices to leave one to remain, that would be stupid