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A Political Thread pt. 2

I mean these choices aren't going to stick.

Is Trump going to withdraw all support for Ukraine? I mean he has in words but I think the USA hasn't stopped financially.

Are the European nations that are in total supporting Ukraine more than the USA going to stop? No

Is Ukraine just going accept zero confessions from Russia? No


This is just two tossers trying to pretend they are doing something that will lead to nothing other than you might a more consolidated voice from a a group of European leaders.
 
I mean these choices aren't going to stick.

Is Trump going to withdraw all support for Ukraine? I mean he has in words but I think the USA hasn't stopped financially.

Are the European nations that are in total supporting Ukraine more than the USA going to stop? No

Is Ukraine just going accept zero confessions from Russia? No


This is just two tossers trying to pretend they are doing something that will lead to nothing other than you might a more consolidated voice from a a group of European leaders.
Only because those funds were approved by congress and the senate last year. Anything from USAID is probably out the window though.

As you say this is two tossers, one who lives on sound bites, the other laughing about gullible the first is.
 
Anything from USAID needs to be paused and reviewed. Would be curious to know how much of that money and materials for the Ukrainian people have actually gone to the people as opposed to the pockets of the leadership either here or there. Should be an auditing and an accounting for it. If nothing was done improperly, then nobody should fear a review of it.

It's like all the money that the Clinton Foundation and others were given to "re-build" Haiti. Millions of dollars handed out and it is still a dangerous, underdeveloped and impoverished **** hole. So where did it all go?
 
Anything from USAID needs to be paused and reviewed. Would be curious to know how much of that money and materials for the Ukrainian people have actually gone to the people as opposed to the pockets of the leadership either here or there. Should be an auditing and an accounting for it. If nothing was done improperly, then nobody should fear a review of it.

It's like all the money that the Clinton Foundation and others were given to "re-build" Haiti. Millions of dollars handed out and it is still a dangerous, underdeveloped and impoverished **** hole. So where did it all go?
How do you know it isn't Audited?
 
Yet more red meat for MAGA and domestic consumption generally.

Pretty clear that one of Russia's demands at the meeting in Saudi was regime change in Ukraine and Trump has happily gone down on all fours once again.
 
U.S.A. vs Canada tomorrow night is going to be fire. Both anthems will be booed and there will be five fights in the first minute.

Say what you want trump but he has made sport more exciting.

Can't wait for the eagles to blow him off and he'll say he never invited them.
 
Wasn't Trump suspected of having close connections to Russia in his first election? Feels like people have forgotten that.
Less that but more he really wasn't a Putin stooge in his first term that everyone feared.

Even this feels less like doing what Putin wants but trying to act like he's the big peacemaker.
 
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Mental.

"Or he is not going to have a country left" is eerily sinister.
Words just utterly fail me about that man. There are some points on Ukraine where I think the US have credible arguments, but calling Zelensky a "dictator" is a disgusting slur. Implying that Ukraine started it is disingenuous tripe straight out of the Kremlin playbook. He's right, people have unnecessarily died, but they've unnecessarily died defending their country in the face of an unprovoked invasion from a despotic monster who doesn't respect European Borders and who has a warped fantasy to try and re-create the Soviet Union. As for Zelensky not holding an election, it's against Ukrainian law to hold elections when the country is under Martial law - and whilst on the subject of elections, if Trump is that bothered about leaders holding elections, why has he said nothing about a man who has not held one legitimate vote in 25 years of rule - the only dictator is Putin, not Zelensky.

I actually do think it's time that the war ended, but only with a proper and fair negotiated settlement. not a cosy, back-door stitch up without the invaded country having a say. Trump is taking the World ever closer to WW3.

Having said all of that about America, Europe should stop its pathetic grand-standing about being entitled to be an equal partner in this process. Europe has no right to complain about where we've got to with Ukraine and US involvement in NATO, our countries have had ample warnings from several US presidents over many years. There was always going to become a point where America said "enough is enough". The timing is unfortunate, but you make yourselves hostage to fortune when you completely fail to recognise threats that are obviously on the horizon. The penny had the chance to drop with Georgia, Crimea, Salisbury - even what Russia did with Assad in Syria. Instead of taking measures to shield ourselves from any American retreat in NATO, our leaders hung on to a security fantasy, where American leadership of NATO was in perpetuity and we never had to stand on our own two feet. Our leaders also clung hopelessly to the idea that Putin's Russia could be integrated into our thinking and become a modern western democracy that didn't threaten its neighbours - Western leaders didn't see Putin's threat, because they didn't want to see it - and now we're paying the price. If European countries had never made crazy assumptions about US support, we would be in a far better position now.

The US have betrayed Ukraine in these talks, but Europe betrayed them by weakness and emboldening Putin in the first place
 
Wasn't Trump suspected of having close connections to Russia in his first election? Feels like people have forgotten that.
Yeah he had a meeting with Putin and then ordered all the notes by his team to be destroyed/lost.

 
Anything from USAID needs to be paused and reviewed. Would be curious to know how much of that money and materials for the Ukrainian people have actually gone to the people as opposed to the pockets of the leadership either here or there. Should be an auditing and an accounting for it. If nothing was done improperly, then nobody should fear a review of it.

It's like all the money that the Clinton Foundation and others were given to "re-build" Haiti. Millions of dollars handed out and it is still a dangerous, underdeveloped and impoverished **** hole. So where did it all go?
All right wingers don't know what USAID is, because AID is in the ***le they think it's sending aid out, when in fact it stands for US Agency international Development, which in essence is the government bribery agency tasked with exerting influence with money much like the Soviets did and the Chinese do in Africa.
 
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Mental.

"Or he is not going to have a country left" is eerily sinister.
Isn't it amazing how the "aid" figure gets bigger every time he opens his mouth.

In reality the US has only sent less than $150 bn


The link that says "Technical difficulties" actually links to "U.S. Security Cooperation with Ukraine" on the State dept website.
 

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