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Sadly 74m still voted for him at the last election and it would only have taken around 45k in the swing states to switch to him to have made made him POTUS again.
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it could happen, but you'd think people would learn. Having said that, most people hide behind convenient half truths. The tories, Boris, Trump and his lot are perfect for that type of voter.
"It's not my fault, I voted for trump because he said he'd fix things" - all signs showed he had no intention of doing so
"It's not my fault brexit was a mess, boris said he would fix it" - he was a well know liar even before brexit.
"It's not my fault the uk is broken, the tories said they would fix it" - their record has been awful since they got in, but you kept voting for them.
"It's not our fault the energy prices/trains etc are so high, it's the war/markets etc" - they've been in charge for years and built, maintained and allowed this to play out as it did and still has no intention of changing it.
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The extent to which the Tories try to claim that, after 13 years in power, they aren't responsible for anything that has gone wrong (or a day later claiming it is actually fantastic and they are fully responsible)
I really wish someone would just slap the next Tory who says "we are getting on with the job", no you ******* aren't. Or when they claim to be representing the will of the British people when evidence suggests they are going to be eviscerated at the next election. I worked with a Tory voter and he as good as admitted there is nothing the Tories could do that would stop him voting for them (although he says he supports reform UK, yeah he's the Farage loving, GB news watching type of Tory). Point to anything that's failing and he just goes "well it would be worse under Labour". That's it, there is no reasoning with him. Doesn't matter if you show evidence that the economy and services have all done better under Labour going right back to WW2, he still votes Tory.
Usual double standards too. The global financial crisis is entirely Labour's fault but the Tories can't be blamed for Ukraine, Covid, Brexit or even their own internal policies.
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Not sure how they can be blamed for Ukraine. Even the most ardent anti Tory would be doing some mental gymnastics to square that one
The Ukraine isn't their fault, but they are using it as the latest in a long line of excuses for their behaviour and poor performance, which goes back to my last comment; convenient half truths.
It's labours fault, it's immigrants, it's the EU, it's the war in Ukraine...who's next? Molemen and Cthulhu?
The real question the media should have been asking about energy/Ukraine was, why are we not making our own and does this mean Corbyn was right?
I suspect the reason they're doing nothing to fix these issues are due to being stuck behind terrible contacts that even Labour will struggle to do anything about.
It's labours fault, it's immigrants, it's the EU, it's the war in Ukraine...who's next? Molemen and Cthulhu?
The real question the media should have been asking about energy/Ukraine was, why are we not making our own and does this mean Corbyn was right?
I suspect the reason they're doing nothing to fix these issues are due to being stuck behind terrible contacts that even Labour will struggle to do anything about.
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Not for the invasion itself but the knock on effects of it. The point is either massive global affairs are something government can be blamed for or they aren't. Blaming Labour for the global financial crash, something beyond their control, whilst refusing to blame the Tories for their response to global issues is just having your cake and eating it. If Labour can be blamed for how they responded to the financial crash (which was actually praised by most around the world for providing solid leadership) then the Tories can be blamed for how they responded to the spike in inflation following the invasion of Ukraine, Brexit and Covid. Ukraine and Covid may have largely been driven by external factors but Brexit is 100% something they need to take ownership of.
As it is, they either flat out refuse to accept Brexit is going wrong or they blame someone else for it, usually the EU. We were told we would be free and no longer beholden to the EU, now the thing everyone saw coming is happening, the EU is too convenient a scapegoat to let go of so they haven't. The Tories have been scapegoating the EU for decades now and don't know how to stop. The EU is always going to influence us, on account of being the biggest market in the world and right on our doorstep.
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Yeah it's a good point but who still blames Labour for the global financial crisis apart from pond life rags like the daily Express?
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Anyone who repeats the line "it would be worse under Labour" and points to the financial crash as their proof, which is still a lot of people.
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Donkey, you HAVE the right to remain silent. What you lack is the capacity.
That's a hell of an "apart from"
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It's a shame she wasn't forced to attend court to hear her sentence.
It get more complicated once you think about it. A docile accused wouldn't be a problem. But what if they kick off as it were?
I honestly think one way or another we will be go back into EU. Polls say most want it and the younger generations seem more open minded and are not stuck in the traditional brit mindset like previous gens.
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It's possible as she would have nothing to lose. But I think previous cases have shown them refusing to hurts the victims families, as it is part of the process for justice and grieving. Just a coward's way of refusing to attend face getting sentence, as though it's part of their power trip and the system allows it.
I agree. Thats one thing I'd like to change, that the guilty are forced to attend for sentencing.
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I don't think they should to be honest,
If they have a shred of conscience then they would go voluntarily - if you force everyone to you're going to get some ugly scenes with unrepentant c**ts kicking off at the judge/the families/whoever
If they have a shred of conscience then they would go voluntarily - if you force everyone to you're going to get some ugly scenes with unrepentant c**ts kicking off at the judge/the families/whoever
Adding to that, what if you were innocent? You'd be forced to sit there with a room full of people wanting you punished, families wanting you to hurt etc for something you never did. Those will be your last moments as a free person.
Also bearing in mind conservative estimates predict something close to 10% of people in jail are innocent (******* shocked me when I heard that stats the other week).
I always try to in criminal cases to take a very dispassionate view on what should happen. It's very easy to put a lens of vengeance rather than justice.
This crime was absolutely horrific though and definitely a case for the whole life tariff system. Especially as she plead not guilty and put the system through 9 months of hell. Poor ******* jurors they'll need councillors for life I'd imagine for being called up to civic duty of which they had to put their lives on hold.
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They could do it remotely from their cell and if they did kick off then at least they could cut the feed or be restrained. We still have a justice system that is really in favour of the perpetrator rather than the victims families. All they get is to have their victim impact statement read out.
