A Political Thread pt. 2

[General Melchett]

Honestly I was surprised Rishi put his hat in the ring and he did so well of initial polling. I thought non-dom status and being fined made him dead in the water to begin with.

Badenoch is a chilling prospect the more I read the more she worries me. Might actually be the worst of the 8 closely followed by Braverman.

Truss would be awful IMO. She is a Thatcher wannabie who is as dull as dishwater and an awful Foreign Secretary with her careless and clueless remarks about the Ukraine invasion. The fact that Rees-Mogg and Nadine Dorries are backing her says it all.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

So top 3: Rishi, Mordaunt and Truss.
Zahawi and Hunt out.

 

[General Melchett]

I really hope Sunak's camp don't lend votes to Truss in order to stop Mordaunt getting to the final two. If they do that we could well end up with Truss as PM (sigh).

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

I guess the Tories want to follow their current trend of each PM being even worse than the one before, although being worse than Johnson is quite a feat in itself.

 

[Which Tyler]

Rishi was essentially the knife wielder (stuck it in second with indecent haste, and had been prepared for 6 months, his was probably the mortal blow).
They never win Tory leadership elections.

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

Tory minister Lord Agnew pressed for key role for donor, says ex-MP

An ex-MP was urged to appoint a millionaire party donor to a group she led, court papers suggest.

www.bbc.co.uk

Always more corruption... Johnson was just one part. The whole Tory party is corrupt to the core.

 

[ncurd]

 

[ncurd]

Rishi Sunak - 101 votes +13
Penny Mordaunt - 83 votes +16
Liz Truss - 64 votes +14
Kemi Badenoch - 49 votes +9
Tom Tugendhat - 32 votes -5
Suella Breaverman - 27 votes -5 - Eliminated

 

[Reiser99]

Dunno if I'd call that embarrassing or even worth putting up on Twitter. Everyone has had silly moments like that and if that's what people judge her on then they shouldn't vote.

Adam Bienkov should be embarrassed and it would be far better to spend time focusing on her and the other candidates policies than on her leaving a room.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

How does the Tory leadership vote work? I thought it was two rounds of mp votes and then members?

 

[Reiser99]

Rishi Sunak - 101 votes +13
Penny Mordaunt - 83 votes +16
Liz Truss - 64 votes +14
Kemi Badenoch - 49 votes +9
Tom Tugendhat - 32 votes -5
Suella Breaverman - 27 votes -5 - Eliminated

Interesting Braverman lost 5 as well as Tugendhat, so at least 10 people have switched allegiances. Looks like Tugendhat is done too unless he can perform miracles. Mordaunt also making ground on Sunak. Truss staying in their too just. Badenoch really needs to mop up Braverman and Tugendhat's votes.

 

[Reiser99]

How does the Tory leadership vote work? I thought it was two rounds of mp votes and then members?

No, basically there are multiple rounds (this time) where candidates get eliminated until there are two left. Then the conservative party members vote between the final two.

First round candidates needed 30 MPs. The next rounds are simply lowest candidate gets eliminated.

 

[General Melchett]

Mordaunt or Truss will win if either face Rishi in the final two. If they face each other then I reckon Mordaunt will win.

 

[ncurd]

Mordaunt or Truss will win if either face Rishi in the final two. If they face each other then I reckon Mordaunt will win.

I don't know how Rishi wins against the membership, he might struggle post TV debates. He really struggles under any hard questioning and can't act the buffoon like Johnson as a fullback.

Looking at polls its very like Mordaunt unless she doesn't make into the final 2 which appears unlikely now.

 

[ncurd]

Anyway were constantly told FPTP is the best system why isn't Rishi installed as PM?

 

[Ragey Erasmus]

House approves measure to monitor white supremacy in military, law enforcement

The House approved an amendment for the yearly defense spending bill on Wednesday that compels government officials to prepare a report on instances of white supremacy and neo-Nazi activity in unif…

thehill.com

"House approves measure to monitor white supremacy in military, law enforcement"

Of course it is met with a unanimous opposing vote from Republicans. Says it all really. Republicans have completely given up even attempting to pretend they aren't what everyone says they are. This coupled with the supreme court reversing decades of tradition and due to pass judgement on a case where they will almost certainly vote in favour of Republicans who are trying to heavily gerrymander a state so much that a near 50-50 split of the vote turns into a 2.5 times seat advantage for the Republicans.

The USA is falling off a cliff as the far right are looking at dismantling everything. Polling has also shown that a majority of polled Republicans view the Jan 6th events as a "legitimate protest" and not an insurrection or riot. Absolutely ******* unbelievable how unreasonable and militaristic the right wing in the USA has become. I mean seriously, they view violently storming Congress off the back of what everyone with half a brain knows are a pack of lies as legitimate but the election as not! That country is sliding into fascism. If a large segment of the population have already reached the point where they have reasoned that they can ignore the outcome of an election and use violence to get the result they want, that is extremely dangerous territory.

 

[Eleutherarch]

House approves measure to monitor white supremacy in military, law enforcement

The House approved an amendment for the yearly defense spending bill on Wednesday that compels government officials to prepare a report on instances of white supremacy and neo-Nazi activity in unif…

thehill.com

"House approves measure to monitor white supremacy in military, law enforcement"

Of course it is met with a unanimous opposing vote from Republicans. Says it all really. Republicans have completely given up even attempting to pretend they aren't what everyone says they are. This coupled with the supreme court reversing decades of tradition and due to pass judgement on a case where they will almost certainly vote in favour of Republicans who are trying to heavily gerrymander a state so much that a near 50-50 split of the vote turns into a 2.5 times seat advantage for the Republicans.

The USA is falling off a cliff as the far right are looking at dismantling everything. Polling has also shown that a majority of polled Republicans view the Jan 6th events as a "legitimate protest" and not an insurrection or riot. Absolutely ******* unbelievable how unreasonable and militaristic the right wing in the USA has become. I mean seriously, they view violently storming Congress off the back of what everyone with half a brain knows are a pack of lies as legitimate but the election as not! That country is sliding into fascism. If a large segment of the population have already reached the point where they have reasoned that they can ignore the outcome of an election and use violence to get the result they want, that is extremely dangerous territory.

They have to dog whistle to maintain power. The incontrovertible fact is that the demographics of the country are sliding in a way that make a Red sweep not just improbable but impossible. It is why they try so hard to hinder voter convenience and why they must whip up their loyalist foot soldiers into a state where they will happily subvert the Rule of Law.

They're never returning to the habitable zones of the political spectrum. As you say, they're in the Corporate Members' Car of the long train to Fascist Town. Next stop: 2022 Midterms.

 

[pagliaccio_euforico]

They have to dog whistle to maintain power. The incontrovertible fact is that the demographics of the country are sliding in a way that make a Red sweep not just improbable but impossible. It is why they try so hard to hinder voter convenience and why they must whip up their loyalist foot soldiers into a state where they will happily subvert the Rule of Law.

They're never returning to the habitable zones of the political spectrum. As you say, they're in the Corporate Members' Car of the long train to Fascist Town. Next stop: 2022 Midterms.

Bolded part pretty much says it all.

So up until 2020 I think everyone thought they'd have to keep dog whistling to win. Once they got the 6-3 on the Supreme Court they realized they can just make up the rules as they go along. The house is gerrymandered to hell and the senate means that someone in North Dakota has 12x as much of a say in government as I do.

The GOP is no longer the party of the well off but rather the party of hate plus the well off with no shame. The democrats are everyone else and our leaders don't care about winning. If they were a sports team their general manager would have been sacked years ago.

 

[Which Tyler]

I must have missed something...

 

[General Melchett]

I see Lord Frost is wading in again in the media telling Badenoch to fold and back Truss. Maybe Team Truss are concerned that she'll be outshone in the TV debates. Yesterday Frost was trying to torpedo Mordaunt's campaign. He's not even an MP and can't vote in this contest. I assume the right of the party have asked him to be their media mouthpiece and in return he'll get another cabinet position.