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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jer1cho @ Jul 4 2009, 05:40 PM)
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No. It's because many of you seem to forget that we fielded a second team today[/b]
What happened to being gracious losers? Funny how we havent seen any of that at all.
Aside from 2, 4, 8, 11 and 15 that wasnt too far off your best team. And a lot of them are close calls. 9,10, 12 were the S14 combination. Zane was the Bulls (and form) ful back. Pack was harldy impacted at al.
Look at the lions players missing. BOD Roberts Byrne Jones Jenkins Ferris. Add this to the weird selection of Worsley (did alright) over Croft, the likes of Flannery O'Leary and Shanklin who didnt even get to travel and the mish mash of our own backline and
your point is moot.
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Obviously you didn't read my first post. And as for Zane Kirchner, he is vommit, and was NOT the form fullback of the super 14. He just happened to be in the form team, so everytime the Bulls performed, and he happened to touch the ball, he was hailed as being brilliant.
On In this game, we were completely outplayed. Everywhere. The Lions wanted this win badly, and really did everything to get it. I wanted them to win, as i feel they put a lot into this tour, and don't deserve to leave empty-handed. They are a quality side, and showed today that when things go right for them, they WILL run over you.
On the issue of "our best players"...
- What do you think our counter-attack play is like when you take out Bryan Habana and JP Piterson, and replace them with 2 guys who have not played in the same team before, and who last played a rugby match 2 months ago?
- Then you take out a centre partnership, and basically cut it in half. Jean de Villers and Jacques Fourie work well together. Always have, always will.
- Now, all of you NH posters have been going on and on about how **** Francois Steyn is, and how he is not worth the money, bla bla bla. Sir Speedy in particular has blasted Steyn on many occassions. Did anyone see the difference this guy made when he came on? I have always ALWAYS said 15 is his best position, and he is a guy with incredible talent. He played well all tour. Zane Kirchner started his first test ever, kicked everything away, butchered a try, and pretty much played the way he always does.
- Next we have the forwards. I thought Kankowski didn't do too badly, and Smith and Brussouw had good games too. The Lions were just better on the day in the loose. Thanks to Martyn Williams having a really good game, and Heaslip finally showing good form.
- We have the best lock COMBINATION in the world. Although, one of them got taken away for this match thanks to a stupid decision. So basically, Matfield was alone, and just couldn't do all of the work needed by 2 locks. Heck, Muller is not even our second choice lock!
- I thought the props did pretty well, although Chilleboy was suffering at scrum time. When Bismark came on, the scrums were a lot more stable!
So saying that apart from X Y and Z we had our best team, is honestly such a stupid statement. Especially the fact that you are forgetting that everyone has had a lot of game time on this tour, compared to a South African team with 10 changes, all of who have not started a match in over 2 months. I'm starting to think that all of the NH boys are only out to prove that their players are better than ours, and always will be. That's the only thing any of you seem to give a **** about. "We are better, were better in the first test, and better in the second test. He is better than XY and Z Springbok players..." seems to be the general NH consensus.
My fiance works in a hotel, and when i fetched her yesterday, i was greeted by some Lions fans waiting in the lobby. I had a Springbok Jersey on, and they had Lions jerseys on. So, naturally, i looked over at them and congratulated them on a fine performance. You know what their response was? Here is pretty much what our conversation was before i left:
ME: " Great game, were you guys there?"
THEM: "We were, and we finally saw that whenever we are about to beat you blokes, you go out to hurt our team, because if all of the referee decisions are fair, and you don't fight, we will beat you any day of the week. We were robbed of this series."
I just gave a smile and left. I was heavily outnumbered, so violence wouldn't have worked. Basically, it says a lot about you guys. Also, there are many of you on here that just can't seem to admit that
you were beaten in this series by a better team. We had our issues in the first games. Players, coaching decisions, and as constant 'foul-mouthing' coming from the Lions camp. Yet we stuck at it, and won the series. That says a lot about a team's character, as well as their ability to grind out a win whenever needed.
I love the players you guys have over there. This was an incredible team, with so many exciting players. EVERY SINGLE player was good on this tour at some point or other. But i find myself right back to square one of hating all of them, and hating their fans, because when i say Tom Croft was great, the reply i get is "Yeah, Spies WHO?" It's beyond annoying at the moment. It just always feels like the only thing any of you give a toss about is whether or not one of your players is better than ours.
Honestly, the Lions were unlucky a number of times, but just weren't good enough to get over themselves and win the games that mattered. Players like Paul O' Connel and Mike Phillips just couldn't shut their mouths about how they were cheated or robbed. Not one of them congratulated John Smit on the series win. I have lost all my respect for them. Then, because of one idiotic moment in a players career, the whole world has branded the Springboks as a group of thugs who can't win when playing fairly. Absolutely disgusting. Now all i am reading is that the Lions should have had more time to prepare, and that it's the organizers fault. What the f*** is going to be next???
Yes, we lost yesterday because we were beaten by a far better team. But i am sick and fu*king tired of every message saying that we are a crap team, overrated, dirty, and have worst players position for position.
I am just thoroughly relieved that this series is over. It has done more harm than good, and that's an incredibly sad fact.
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Sureley thats a contradiction in terms.