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[2015 Six Nations] Scotland vs Wales (Round 2)

Who will win?


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Not sure if it has been mentioned but has anyone seen Rhys Webb's "dive" earlier ? It was around 5 minutes into the game . Anyway it was shocking . It's already hard enough for the tackler to get out of the way without scrum halves diving like footballers
 
Not sure if it has been mentioned but has anyone seen Rhys Webb's "dive" earlier ? It was around 5 minutes into the game . Anyway it was shocking . It's already hard enough for the tackler to get out of the way without scrum halves diving like footballers

Wouldn't call it a 'dive', as he WAS tripped. Also wouldn't disagree if anyone said he milked it a bit ;)
 
to be honest, as poor as he was today i quite like Jackson, he generally refs a decent flowing game and i tend to enjoy watching him... i did feel he got very little help from his comrades today.

What do you expect ? One of them was George Clancy who I don't rate in the Pro12, far less as a Six Nations official.
 
Biggar was great. Brave as heck (even if he did look like he'd 'fallen asleep on tour' and had every orifice stuffed with toilet paper at one point).

I thought Biggar was great against England in the firts half but lost his way when the rest of his team mates abandoned him at halftime.

Yesterday I thought he again put in a mature shift at 10, if i was picking a lions squad right now he'd be in it.
 
What do you expect ? One of them was George Clancy who I don't rate in the Pro12, far less as a Six Nations official.

Clancy got rave reviews for all help he gave today. Cotter was full of credit for way he stepped in to insist on checking the Liam Williams try. And in general has improved well as an official under World Rugby eyes.
 
Wouldn't call it a 'dive', as he WAS tripped. Also wouldn't disagree if anyone said he milked it a bit ;)

Haha fair enough . The worst person for it is Parra easily ! It's funny though because Parra loves a scrap too !
 
Really enjoyed the match, was tough and some great tackles from both teams throughout. On balance of play I thought Wales deserved the win but if Scotland can cut out the many errors they could develop into a really good side, early on defensively they were brilliant but did tire and Wales took advantage, even more so when Scotland went a man down towards end of first half.

Finn Russell impressed for me if you take out the couple of obvious mistakes in second half at vital times.
 
On the last part I would be very concerned by this. This was a big-ish match but it wasn't really that big. I wouldn't be confident in him reffing a match in the world cup after this game.

Perhaps I should have been more clear. Yes, I would be concerned about this performance when taken in isolation, but as for Glen's overall skill as a referee, I am not at all concerned. He has controlled biggish matches before (Australia v Argentina) and he was AR in the 6N last year. He is a much better referee that he showed today, he knows it, and Joel Jutge knows it.


to be honest, as poor as he was today i quite like Jackson, he generally refs a decent flowing game and i tend to enjoy watching him... i did feel he got very little help from his comrades today.

I should have mentioned that. His ARs weren't a lot of help to him.


I rate Jackson and as was said yes he had bad day but most refs do. I would say his good days massively outweigh his bad days.

This 100%
 
Clancy got rave reviews for all help he gave today. Cotter was full of credit for way he stepped in to insist on checking the Liam Williams try. And in general has improved well as an official under World Rugby eyes.

Good to hear he is improving but he IS starting from a fairly low base!!!
 
Scotland are too honest to win against the top teams ,who rely on weak officials, reputation and a clever game plan .
Agonising watching a good group of players being let down by stop start weak referees .
Not much between the teams this year but I cant see Scotland getting the benefit of a 50/50 decision when it matters .
Listened to Gavin Hastings today and even he could not believe the way decisions went .
The most honest humble man ever to grace murrayfield spoke out on air .
Rant over . Fingers crossed for the next match .
 
Scotland are too honest to win against the top teams ,who rely on weak officials, reputation and a clever game plan .
Agonising watching a good group of players being let down by stop start weak referees .
Not much between the teams this year but I cant see Scotland getting the benefit of a 50/50 decision when it matters .
Listened to Gavin Hastings today and even he could not believe the way decisions went .
The most honest humble man ever to grace murrayfield spoke out on air .
Rant over . Fingers crossed for the next match .

Gavin Hastings is a boring ex Scottish International of the Jiffy calibre which is why he is on the corporate dinner circuit more than as an analyst on TV!!!

Grow up, Scotland lost because they made too many mistakes!!
 
That ref was as bad as one from Scotland v Italy that cost Alex McLeish and co in a Euro qualifier and anyone that can't see that is BLIND!!

Only saw from 36mins onwards and can mention EVERY decision he got wrong.

1) try at end of half. He should have went to tmo as I thought it was over line.

2) Deliberate TRIP on Hogg in second half (near touchline.

3) try 7mins from time was a certain try

4) Prick should have played restart, even though, IMO, it would have meant nothing because we would probably have messed it up.

One thing I will say though is: I AM SICK OF THIS "VALIANT/BRAVE LOSERS" pish, it has been said far to many times tbh.

We WILL give a team a hammering if we take our chances AND HAVE A FAIR REF (HOW LIKELY IS THAT BTW!!?).

With a fair ref, we WOULD have won that so we were ****ING ROBBED AS USUAL!!!!!!!!.
 
Good to hear he is improving but he IS starting from a fairly low base!!!

Yes but after Nigel Owens every Northern Hemisphere ref is in same bracket. I genuinely can't think of 1 other ref who has the same all round respect Nigel has.
 
That ref was as bad as one from Scotland v Italy that cost Alex McLeish and co in a Euro qualifier and anyone that can't see that is BLIND!!

Only saw from 36mins onwards and can mention EVERY decision he got wrong.

1) try at end of half. He should have went to tmo as I thought it was over line.

2) Deliberate TRIP on Hogg in second half (near touchline.

3) try 7mins from time was a certain try

4) Prick should have played restart, even though, IMO, it would have meant nothing because we would probably have messed it up.

One thing I will say though is: I AM SICK OF THIS "VALIANT/BRAVE LOSERS" pish, it has been said far to many times tbh.

We WILL give a team a hammering if we take our chances AND HAVE A FAIR REF (HOW LIKELY IS THAT BTW!!?).

With a fair ref, we WOULD have won that so we were ****ING ROBBED AS USUAL!!!!!!!!.

Just on this.

1) has anyone seen a try clearly being scored in the end of 1st half. If the ref and his assistant both agreed and were clear in their views that the ball was not touched down in the try area.

2) I think it's debatable on Hogg issue (if it's 1 after he kicked)

3) Yes it was a clear try but he trusted his AR on far side. It wasn't Clancy but other side and well it was wrong.

4) He actually was 100% correct. And shouldn't have stopped clock. Hamilton was the bigger idiot for going for a fight and playing in to the Welsh hands. But Jackson applied the law 100% correctly.

And based on territory and possession overall it's hard to say Scotland were robbed. They shot themselves in foot too and this is part of problem. They've improved but now they can't play the pity/bitter card. They have to forget today, get back to work and get result next day
 
I totally agree regarding brawl and taking chances when they come, its is so annoying when BASIC ERRORS are made whilst in commanding positions.

I mean, going for a fantastic touch and missing, wtf!? No need to go for something special, just put it in touch ffs!

Anyway, over both games there were positives but defence poor today after shutting out France.

As I said, I am not going to accept the tag "valiant/brave losers", it is a loss no matter who "valiant" or "brave" it was and tbh, Cotter/Hodge/Humphreys should be same, same with Andy Nicol, Chris Paterson and co!
 
I'm sure Scotland will be determined too fix many mistakes. Hogg made awful decision for Davies try. But Scotland aren't far off being a very good team and Cotter has improved them.
 
We should have more ex players reffing, he ref'd the breakdown well, as for the so called high tackle by Webb, the player ducked into it, the disallowed Scottish try was a result of a forward pass and you can't blame the ref for the missing few seconds at the end, he was clearly asking the TMO if the game was over, so blame the TMO.
Still think Tipuric should start with Lydiate coming on for the last 20 as an impact player, Liam Williams/ Halfpenny as wing fullback with Amos on the other wing.

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The Ref did'nt need to refer the non try at the end of the 1st half, he was in a perfect position the ball was 6 inches shy of the line, if the ball crossed the line after it would have been a double movement.

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I agree with LiRFC Matt, time to start with Tipuric at 7, Warbs at 6 and use Lydiate off the bench for the last 20.
 
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The ref. The ******* ref. I agree with the yellow cards in the first half, but he must have left them in the dressing room because when they were needed against the Welsh in that second half he never showed them. Kicking the ball away in a dangerous area, a high tackle on the last man, repeated offences and yet the ref let them off with it all. Of course it wasn't all against Scotland, the tackle off the ball that led to Webb's try should have been a yellow, regardless of the "blocking" and Scotland repeatedly infringed for a period of time in the second half, but those last ten minutes were a sham from the ref and cost Scotland dearly. Now that's out of the way, let's have a look at the actual rugby.

In our preview we said it would be the game of the weekend, and we were right. Stuart Hogg setting the game alight from early on set the tone; the Scots were up for this one. A great turnover from Finn Russell led to his opening try and the Scots kept the momentum going until a yellow card for the fly-half due to taking the man out in the air, which was followed by a Rhys Webb try and then a Jonathan Davies yellow card for a similar incident. A tense game saw some Welsh indiscipline and some similar Scottish problems, the inability to finish off the move and score the try. The lack of composure from the Scottish was evident when they missed 3 or 4 guilt-edged chances. A slightly concerning game for Wales as Scotland had ample chances to take the victory, but their clinical edge proved better and they secured their first win of the campaign after an opening weekend loss to England, and this will certainly make them happy.



Some players just weren't up to scratch in on Sunday for both teams. Finn Russell despite the aforementioned turnover was wasteful with his kicking, two penalty kicks missed touch, one crucially very close to the end. Alex Cuthbert proved once again how useless he is, and Liam Williams has now walked his way into the side considering North's poor form. We should have seen the last of Lydiate starting as well, he amazed early on in his career with his tackling and work at the breakdown, but that side of his game appears to be less effective, and his lack of ball carrying is becoming more apparent. Tipuric has to start the next game.



The aftermath of this game caused a lot of debate between rugby fans and pundits, but one thing we can all agree on is that some players put in some outstanding shifts. Man of the match Alun Wyn Jones was good, but in my opinion not up to the standards of the likes of Hogg, Dunbar, Halfpenny, Biggar and Roberts (in the second half) who showed how special test match rugby is to the players. My man of the match was Stuart Hogg, he was lightning fast, looking to create opportunities out of nowhere for the Scots and very nearly inspired them to a victory. Dunbar impressed when he put his body on the line, making some big hits but also offering a good option in attack for Scotland. Biggar was commanding, very brave in the air and put on a performance that really impressed me, and I'm often critical of the Welsh fly-half. Halfpenny once again kicked fantastically, and it turned out to be crucial, but he showed more than that, plucking balls out of thin air to help his side. Jamie Roberts showed that sometimes Warrenball does work, using his physicality very well in the second half and being a bit of a monster whenever he touched the ball. Wyn Jones was good... but not on the same level as these guys. They helped create a thrilling spectacle that was incredibly tense, certainly the game of the 6 Nations so far. Scotland will be disappointed they once again were the "close losers", a painful tag to hold, and the Welsh will look to gain momentum from this win. Both teams have something to prove going in to next weeks clashes, Scotland need to beat the Italians after coming so close, but will be wary that the Italians scored 3 tries against England on Saturday. Wales need to beat a French side that were only 7 points off of Ireland, so will need to improve on this performance. I, like many others, can not wait for next weekends fixtures, which, alongside the Ireland vs England game, could be one of the closest rugby weekends we have all year, and there is still a World Cup to come.


Let me know of any mistakes or things to improve!
 
Really don't think that game was about the ref. Obviously Jackson didn't have a great game (I am one of those who rate him in general), but I don't think Scotland would have won with a different referee. As others have said, the fault is with Scotland and their ability to take chances, maybe not helped by us having limited experience of games still being competitive late on!

Biggar seems to have taken Byrne's role of being the Welsh player who always gets taken out in the air against Scotland.

If we're going to blame anyone, focus on Hamilton. Idiot.
 
People are critical of Jacksons performance and as a result him overall. I do think he let the game slip a little in the last 10 some calls which I would disagree with, the big one being the knock on for the try. However prior to that he was consistent and allowed the game to flow and I cannot see how he prevent Scotland from catching scoring passes or making the right decisions or kicking the ball into touch or not wasting time. So at the end of the day Jackson may have slipped a bit I don't think that it had any impact on the result.
 
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