2013 European Nations Cup / Six Nations B

[white bear]

Why not? play better in February in Romania and Georgia? There, too, in the winter snow. Moreover, that by mid-May more than 90% of the players to finish the season in their clubs. For example, Spanish, a few people in France, which ends in early May (many Spaniards playing in the play-off France?) Playoffs in Spain goes to the middle of May. The same goes for other countries.
In Russia the championship begins in early May, but we have no other choice very short summer.

 

[dragos03]

Matches in February are bad for Romania as well. It's freezing cold, games can be cancelled sue to heavy snow and the number of spectators is low due to the weather. Also, the Romanian Superliga only starts later in the spring so many of the national team players are out of fitness and playing shape. I am sure that the schedule will not be changed soon though.

 

[psychic duck]

Why not? play better in February in Romania and Georgia? There, too, in the winter snow. Moreover, that by mid-May more than 90% of the players to finish the season in their clubs. For example, Spanish, a few people in France, which ends in early May (many Spaniards playing in the play-off France?) Playoffs in Spain goes to the middle of May. The same goes for other countries.
In Russia the championship begins in early May, but we have no other choice very short summer.

Georgia won't even get half their first choice pack if matches are played outside international windows.

Clubs are not won't release players unless they have to, and players wouldn't play. Georgia couldn't even get a full team to play in June after the domestic season as clubs wanted some players rested so if they can't get their top team in June during international window, what chance do they have outside is 0.00%

The teams would be ravaged with unavailabilities in May. Even after the regular season, Georgia would lose a number of players from all three top divisions, Spain would from two divisions, Romania wouldn't get Lazar or Tonita.

So basically the whole tournament, which is matches that will go some way to deciding each nations fate at the sport's showcase tournament, would have a raft of missing players.

It may not be ideal for Georgia and Romania playing in February, but it is doable, and don't have the same problems as Russia. Last year, Romania played Portugal in snowy conditions but the match went ahead, and there was one match cancelled in Ukraine. So the ratio of matches cancelled wasn't different to the 6 Nations last year, with England vs Italy in the snow in 2012 and France Ireland postponed.

None of the nations involved are anywhere near powerful enough to be able to get the IRB to give them a second glance, never mind seriously consider making a window for the tournament. So it won't ever happen, unless that "global season" comes to fruition.

But seeing as the time of the year is unlikely to change, Russia should play in Asia, so they don't have to play in empty Sochi.

 

[djwizard84]

In Russia, there are several indoor arenas for football with plastic grass. But this is not an option for rugby. Billeting of expensive indoor stadium with natural grass in Dunedin, we have unrealistic. The entire budget Russian Rugby Union 2ml per year. They can not finish the stadium in Monino ...Unfortunately climate our main enemy, if FIRA not make concessions to the calendar, we will continue to play in Sochi ...

This is really bad!
One more question, Which cities would be able to bring up more than 5K fans for a Russian National Team?

 

[white bear]

This is really bad!
One more question, Which cities would be able to bring up more than 5K fans for a Russian National Team?

Any of the list of cities that I wrote earlier in the warmer months, will be collect 5000, and some 10-20 thousand.

 

[djwizard84]

Other thing could be to mix the february-march and november windows with some test and ENC games, like that they play away during the first half of the season and then get the 2 or 3 home games in november .

 

[Toko_11]

I think global warming will eventually solve the winter problem.... won't it ?

 

[Croket66]

impressive Georgia pre-squad to play Belgium

Props : Davit Zirakashvili (Clermont) - Davit Kubriashvili (Toulon) - Vasil Kakovin (Toulouse) - Davit Khinchagishvili (Brive, ProD2)
Hookers : Irakli Natriashvili (Brive ProD2) - Rezo Belkania (Lelo Tbilissi) - Shalva Mamukashvili (Army Tbilissi)
Locks : Konstantin Mikautadze (Toulon) - Giorgi Chkhaidze (Tarbes, ProD2) - Vakhtang Maisuradze (Albi, ProD2) - Lasha Lomidze (Montpellier U23)
Back Row : Mamuka Gorgodze (Montpellier) - Dimitri Basilaia (Edinburgh Rugby) - Vito Kolelishvili (Clermont) - Shalva Sutiashvili (Massy ProD2) - Beka Bitsadze (Army Tbilissi)
Scrum halves : Giorgi Begadze (Batumi XV) - Vazha Khutsishvili (Kharebi - born 1993)
Fly halves : Merab Kvirikashvili (St Junien Federale1) - Lasha Khmaladze (Lelo Tbilissi)
Centres : Tamaz Mchedlidze (Stade Montois, Amlin Cup and U23 - born 1993) - Merab Sharikadze (Hartpury College England - born 1993) - Davit Kacharava (Rodez Federale1) - Tedo Zibzibadze (Périgueux Federale1)
Wings : Sandro Todua (Albi ProD2) - Irakli Machkhaneli (Armazi) - Giorgi Pruidze (Aia Kutaisi - born 1993)
Full backs : Irakli Kiasashvili (Lelo Tbilissi) - Beka Tsiklauri (Lokomotiv Tbilissi)

So, appart Giorgi Nemsadze (Tarbes), Jaba Bregvadze (Toulouse), Giorgi Jgenti (Montpellier) and Levan Datunashvili (Aurillac), that's the best team possible, i think.

 

[Nielsch]

Yup, especially Georgia will benefit from this year's matches being played on RBS Six Nations days as they will have most of their best players available. Kinda feel sorry for Belgium though.

 

[Nielsch]

Nielsch
This is not rael.
1. Moscow is very expensive to rent a large stadium. For example, the Locomotiv Stadium - 100 thousand dollars for one game ... For comparison, the stadiums in the province by 10-20 thousand seats 5-10 thousand dollars.
2. In winter, no stadium, where the rich play football teams will not let rugby players. Since they pay money for heating field (it is very expensive) and do not want to port field in the cold. The best option for rugby when football season ends - after mid-May.
3. Objectively speaking winter either in Moscow, Krasnoyarsk or another cities will not be many people in the rugby fans cold, better to go into heat at the hockey ... Several years ago, played with Georgia in Krasnoyarsk in April, when a frost (Siberia) and the snow in the stands just beat 4000. While previous Russian Bears in Krasnoyarsk in the warmer months, were collected from 10 to 20 thousand.
For us, the only way out holding home games in May and June. It will be a huge plus for the promotion of rugby in Russia and to show rugby on TV. After all, rugby is a summer sport. If interested, I made ​​a compilation of possible inexpensive stadiums in European Russia (takes into account various parameters), which in the near future Russian bears could play:
in cities Samara (33th), Ekaterinburg (27), St. Petersburg (21.5), Tula - Moscow area (20), Vladimir - Moscow area (18.5), Rostov (16), Kaliningrad (14.7), Bryansk (10), Zhukovsky - Moscow area (7), Penza (6).
http://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/rugbyrusso/394405.html

I've read your article (translated into Dutch by Google, so I was able to get most of it). I think you mention some great stadium options but none of these will be able to stage matches in February / March, is that correct? What is your objection to Russia joining the Asian competition (making it the Asian Six Nations for instance). Is it because the Asian Five Nations is nowhere near as strong (apart from Japan) as the European Nations Cup?

 

[white bear]

I've read your article (translated into Dutch by Google, so I was able to get most of it). I think you mention some great stadium options but none of these will be able to stage matches in February / March, is that correct? What is your objection to Russia joining the Asian competition (making it the Asian Six Nations for instance). Is it because the Asian Five Nations is nowhere near as strong (apart from Japan) as the European Nations Cup?

Yes, in February is not realistic, maybe one game at the end of March - is maximum if there is no football in these stadiums. But there is no guarantee that the weather is good, it may be cold and snow.

1. Different levels of competition. The ENC Georgia, Romania, Spain, Portugal and Belgium (17 - 22 rating IRB, and in Asia only Japan. Hong Kong and South Korea now weaker Belgium. You know this.
2. Tradition. Team Russia (USSR) is involved in ENC since 1976. We would like to see in six nations, but of the economic crisis in 90th, the level of rugby in Russia fell. But fans still hope in the future, Russia will be in the 6 (7) Nations).

But again, we do not mind to participate simultaneously in different continental competitions at the same time, as do Japan and Argentina. A great example of the U.S., they in season 2013 will participate in three different tournaments: USA in America Championship (selection for RWC) and Pacific Cup, and Team USA (South) in the competition in North America.
For us is perfect when Russia is involved in ENC (selection for ENC - matches only in European Russia in warm time), and Pacific Cap (matches in Siberia), and Russia A (or Russia(Siberia)) in Asia nations (matches in Siberia), but the game Russia - Japan exhibit the strongest composition. But talking about it fans, President of the Rugby Federation on the participation in the Asian and Pacific nations Cup said, "We are a European country, a member of FIRA, have no right to play events on other continents." This is stupid, Japan is in the Pacific, the USA and Canada in '13, too, will play ...

 

[Croket66]

Belgium squad to face Georgia :



Props : Kevin Dams (Boitsfort), Sep Debacker (Boitsfort), Jean-Baptiste De Clercq (Stade Montois U21), Maxime Jadot (Pau U23), Julien Massimi (Saint-Etienne), Alain Miriallakis (Boitsfort), Raphaël Olive (Périgueux Federale1)
Hookers : Thomas Dienst (Lille Federale1), Norman Wende (La Voulte Federale2)
Locks : Bertrand Billi (Soignies), Julien Morelli (Bastia Federale3), Cyril Nana (Anderlecht), Bastian Vermeylen (Boitsfort), Mathieu Verschelden (Saint-Etienne Federale1)
Back row : Michaël Demolder (Boitsfort), Thomas Demolder (Lyon U21), Charlie Fourneau (Melbourne Harlequins, Australia), Corentin Lecloux (Boitsfort), Tuur Moelants (Boitsfort), Andrew Neill (Tournefeuille Federale2)
Scrum halves : Julien Berger (La Rochelle ProD2), Hendrick Brouwers (Arras Federale2), Sébastien Guns (Boitsfort), Daniel Janssens (Nantes Federale2)
Fly half : Carlos Fierro (Nice Federale3)
Centres : Thibaut André (Soignies), Guillaume Brébant (Boitsfort), Dirk Haghedooren (Agde Federale1), Vincent Hart (Durban, South Africa), Frédéric Rongé (Kituro)
Wings : Guillaume Piron (Montpellier U23), Marc Tchangue (Boitsfort), Eliott Van Trappen (Boitsfort)
Full back : Alan Williams (Montluçon Federale1)

 

[Croket66]

Romania squad to face Portugal :

Props : Lazar Mihaita (Castres, Top14), Ion Paulica (London Welsh, Premiership), Tamba Petru (Cardiff Blues, Pro12), Ursache Andrei (Carcassonne, ProD2)
Hookers : Capatana Eugen (RCM Timisoara), Radoi Andrei (CSM Baia Mare)
Locks : Ursache Valentin (US Oyonnax, ProD2), Sirbe Marius (Tarbes, ProD2), Tatu Cornel (Steaua Bucuresti)
Back row : Lucaci Viorel (Steaua Bucuresti), Mitu Alexandru (CSM Bucuresti), Macovei Mihai (Sporting Nazairien, Federale1), Tonita Ovidiu (Carcassonne, ProD2), Carpo Daniel (RCM Timisoara)
Scrum halves : Surugiu Florin (CSM Bucuresti), Caplescu Ciprian (Dinamo Bucuresti)
Fly halves : Manole Dorin (Orthez, Federale2), Vlaicu Florin (Steaua Bucuresti)
Centres : Dascalu Robert (Steaua Bucuresti), Gal Csaba (CSM Baia Mare), Dinis Cristian (CSM Baia Mare)
Wings : Rosca Mihai (CSM Baia Mare), Niacsu Ionut (CSM Baia Mare), Apostol Adrian (Farul Constanta)
Full back : Fercu Catalin (RCM Timisoara)

Portugal pre-squad to face Frence Universities and England Students
Props: Jorge Segurado (G D Direito), Bruno Rocha (A.E.I.S Tecnico ), Francisco Domingues (A.E.I.S Agronomia), Bruno Medeiros (C D U L ), Hugo Valente (Fc Os Belenenses), Tony Martins (Perigueux Federale1)
Hookers: João Correia (G D Direito), Miguel Vilaça (C D U L )
Locks: Eric Dos Santos( Mont De Marsan U23), Fernando Almeida (A.E.I.S Agronomia), Rafael Simões (Fc Os Belenenses )
Back row: Vasco Uva (G D Direito), Vasco F Mendes (G D Direito), Tiago Girao (C D U L), Francisco Sousa (Cascais), Lourenço Matalonga (C D U P), Francisco Malgahães (C D U L), Manuel Raposo (G D Direito ), Carlos Sottomayor( C D U P )
Halfbacks: Pedro Leal (G D Direito), Manuel Costa (Fc Os Belenenses), Manuel Vilela (G D Direito)
Centres: Carl Murray (C D U L), Frederico Oliveira (C D U L), Bernardo Campelo (A.E.I.S Agronomia), José Lima (Narbonne ProD2), Pedro Silva (Fc Os Belenenses)
Wingers: Gonçalo Foro (C D U L), Antonio Aguilar (G D Direito), Aderito Esteves (G D Direito), Francisco Appleton (C D U L)
Fullbacks: Nuno Penha E Costa (C D U L), João Silva (G D Direito)

 

[Tonga_rugby]

Romania squad to face Portugal :

Forwards
1. Lazar Mihaita (Castres )
2. Ion Paulica (London Welsh)
3. Tamba Petru (Cardiff Blues)
4. Ursache Andrei (Carcassonne)
5. Capatana Eugen (Timisoara)
6. Radoi Andrei (Baia Mare)
7. Ursache Valentin (Oyonnax)
8. Sirbe Marius (Tarbes)
9. Tatu Cornel (Steaua)
10. Lucaci Viorel (Steaua)
11. Mitu Alexandru (CSM Bucuresti)
12. Macovei Mihai (Sporting Nazairien)
13. Tonita Ovidiu (Carcassonne)
14. Carpo Daniel (Timisoara)

Backs
15. Surugiu Florin (CSM Bucuresti)
16. Caplescu Ciprian (Dinamo)
17. Manole Dorin (Orthez)
18. Vlaicu Florin (Steaua)
19. Dascalu Robert (Steaua)
20. Gal Csaba (Baia Mare)
21. Dinis Cristian (Baia Mare)
22. Rosca Mihai (Baia Mare)
23. Niacsu Ionut (Baia Mare)
24. Apostol Adrian (Farul Constanta)
25. Fercu Catalin (Timisoara)


Ups!! :lol: Croket66

 

[Croket66]

Tests :
Lions (South Africa) 51-13 Russia
Portugal XV 7-24 France Universities

 

[Croket66]

Props: Francisco Fernandes (Beziers - ProD2), Anthony Alves (Chalon Sur Saone - Federale1), Jorge Segurado (G D Direito), Cristian Spachuk (Bourgoin - Federale1), Juan Murre (A. S. Dijonnais - Federale1)
Hokers: Joao Correia (G D Direito), Mike Tadjer (R C Massy - ProD2)
Locks: Goncalvo Uva (Narbonne - ProD2), David Dos Reis (Chateaurenard - Federale1), Davis Penalva (Montauban - Federale1)
3rd Row: Vasco Uva (G D Direito), Julien Bardy (Clermont - Top14), Tiago Girao (C D U L), Aurelien Beco (Colomiers - ProD2), Juan Severino(Chamberry - Federale2), Jacques Le Roux (Coventry RFC - National League1), Laurent Balangue (Saint Jean De Luz - Federale1)
Halfbacks: Samuel Marques (Albi - ProD2), Francisco Malgahaes (C D U L), Pedro Leal (G D Direito)
Centres: Carl Murray (C D U L), Frederico Oliveira (C D U L), Alexandre Barros (Rodez - Federale1), Jose Lima (Narbonne - ProD2), Pedro Silva (FC OS Belenenses)
Wingers: Goncalo Foro (C D U L), Antonio Aguilar (G D Direito), Aderito Esteves (G D Direito), Wilfred Rodrigues (R C Massy - Federale1)
Fullback: Nuno Penha E Costa (C D U L)[BLINK]lccv[/BLINK]

Nice squad!

 

[Nielsch]

Both Spain and Belgium seem to go after French players with Spanish / Belgium (grand)parents...

 

[Tonga_rugby]

Spain squad to face Russia and Belgium:

Pilier: David Gurgenadze (Army - Georgia), Jesús Moreno (Limoges - Fed. 1), Joe Hutchinson (Bourg-en-Bresse, Fed.1), Mikel Mungía (Biarritz Ol. - Espoirs)

Talonador: Juan Anaya (Rugby Atlético Madrid) y Daniel Marrón (CR El Salvador)

Segunda: Jesús Recuerda (Lille - Fed. 1), Anibal Bonan (US Bagnerais - Fed. 1)

Tercera: Mathew Cook (CR La Vila), Joan Tudela (Ordizia RE), Jon Magunazelaia (Gernika RT), Lionel Pardo (AS Beziers - ProD2), Javier de Juán (Ciencias RC)

Medio de mêlée: Santiago "Ati" Fdez. (Alcobendas RC), Gregory Maiquez (Bourg-en-Bresse - Fed. 1)

Apertura: César Sempere (CR El Salvador)

Centro: Jaike Carter (CR El Salvador), Gauthier Minguillón (U. Bordeaux-Bègles - Espoirs), Jaime Nava (Bourg-en-Bresse - Fed. 1), Corey Smith (Ciencias RC)

Ala: Javier Carrión (CR La Vila), Matías Tudela (Tatami RC)

Zaguero: Oier Garmendia (Hernani CRE)

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Pablo Feijóo, Carlos Blanco, Perico Martín, Glenn Rolls, Martin Heredia, Ãngel López y Javier Canosa are out because they'll be in Wellington (NZ - IRB SWS).

Pradalie (Preigueux - Fed. 1), Auzqui y Visengsang (Tyrosse - Fed. 1), Labbe, Rofes y Gibouin (UBB - Top 14), Peluchon y Ascarat (Auch - ProD2), Pinto Ferrer (As Beziers - ProD2), Rouet ( Saint Etienne - Fed. 1), Aubanell (Aurillac - Espoirs) y Pierre E. García are out because Bryce Bevin (Spain's Head Coach) not called.

 

[DavidLg]

Both Spain and Belgium seem to go after French players with Spanish / Belgium (grand)parents...

Any names? Can you bring some more precisions ?

 

[Croket66]

Russia squad :
Russia squad to face Spain :
Props : Grigory Tsnobiladze (Krasny Yar), Alexey Volkov (VVA Podmoskovye), Innokenty Zykov (Enisey-STM), Andrey Igretsov (Fili Moscow), Evgeny Pronenko (Enisey-STM), Andrey Polivalov (AgroUniversity Kazan)
Hookers : Vladislav Korshunov (VVA Podmoskovye), Valery Tsnobiladze (Enisey-STM)
Locks : Kirill Kulemin (London Welsh/England), Alexander Voytov (VVA Podmoskovye), Maxim Kiselev (Krasny Yar)
Back row : Viktor Gresev (VVA Podmoskovye), Andrey Temnov (Enisey-STM), Pavel Butenko (Enisey-STM), Andrey Garbuzov (Krasny Yar), Pavel Kvernadze (Spartak Moscow), Artem Fatakhov (AgroUniversity Kazan)
Scrum halves : Alexander Yanyushkin (VVA Podmoskovye), Alexey Shcherban (Enisey-STM)
Fly halves : Sergey Sugrobov (Slava-CSP), Anton Ryabov (Krasny Yar), Sergey Yanyushkin (AgroUniversity Kazan)
Centres : Alexey Makovetsky (Krasny Yar), Mikhail Babaev (VVA Podmoskovye), Dimitry Gerasimov (Enisey-STM), Sergey Trishin (VVA Podmoskovye)
Wings : Vasily Artemyev (Northampton Saints/England), Andrey Otrokov (Krasny Yar)
Full backs : Igor Klyuchnikov (VVA Podmoskovye), Igor Kurashov (Enisey-STM)