Ultimate TRF election special in HD thread

[dullonien]

That makes no sense. Some people were queing for almost two hours. It really wouldn't have made a difference if some people arrived earlier as the que would have just ended up longer and still not got in. This isn't like a que for a rollercoaster or something, this is voting in a general election. Everyone should get the chance to vote, so there should be anough staff suppled in these areas to deal with any amount of people, infact they should be prepared to see 100% of people tunrning out to vote, even if it would never happen.

The cases where they ran out of ballot papers is unforgivable imo. How hard it it make sure that there is easily enough ballot papers. Pathetic organisation from some polling stations. Apparently every single polling station only had one person tiking names off the list, no matter how long the que was, surely there could be a more efficient technique than that!

I personally don't see a problem with allowing the polling station stay open longer. As long as the person had turned up before 10, they should have been allowed to vote. Some results hadn't come in untill after midday Friday. Re-counts take hours, so it's not as if there are delays anyway. Why not allow the polling station be left open for a hour or two for the people who arrived before the deadline to vote?

 

[shtove]

Considering I'm not even British, I have no care as to politics and repeated what I was told.

My philosophy is, aslong as the fridge is full of food and the pool is full of water, who cares what happens.

Hehe. That's a coincidence, just when the safe has run out of money.

I accept I have to bail you out - along with other socialist whingers. But the German in me is damn sure you'll have to pay me back, and at a heavy price. Your standard of living is about to plunge.

p.s. It doesn't matter whether you're British, or where you vote. Socialists all over the world are ******.

 

[Versus]

Hehe. That's a coincidence, just when the safe has run out of money.

I accept I have to bail you out - along with other socialist whingers. But the German in me is damn sure you'll have to pay me back, and at a heavy price. Your standard of living is about to plunge.

p.s. It doesn't matter whether you're British, or where you vote. Socialists all over the world are ******.

Bail me out? Huh? I'm not a socialist, I'm a sit back and watch whatever happens person. I wouldn't say I'm apathetic, but bordering on it, I don't care who gets in, aslong as there are FIREWORKS. Only live once, might as well live with excitement.

 

[best_fullback]

Bail me out? Huh? I'm not a socialist, I'm a sit back and watch whatever happens person. I wouldn't say I'm apathetic, but bordering on it, I don't care who gets in, aslong as there are FIREWORKS. Only live once, might as well live with excitement.

Thats quite a strange attitude to have. I can understand some people don't care but at this moment in time with the way the economy is, but I believe it is very important that everyone takes notice. How old are you? Im 20 and im at University with another year left to do. Then after that I have a training course that is £10k before I can even start doing my career. Problem is will there acually be any jobs actually going in my profession? With £30k worth of debt coming out of my pocket every month (at roughly around £180 p/m on top of tax + NI) I am severely worried what the future holds.

I have loads of friends who graduated Uni last year with some great degree unable to the jobs. Now they're literally making ends meet by stacking boxes in warehouses and may as well be using their degree as a blanket.

Thats why I find your philosophy "aslong as the fridge is full of food and the pool is full of water, who cares what happens" a bit childish. We will all be affected by something to do with politics or decisions made by politicians during our lifetime so we should have our say in what we think should happen (admittedly in a better, more proportional way than the system is now). This is what makes me laugh; when people who haven't voted get affected by something and say 'its a disgrace!' - if you don't vote you have no right what-so-ever to complain about anything that happens.

 

[Saints1]

I LOVE politics!

 

[Feicarsinn]

In case no one has mentioned it, Brown has stepped down as Labour leader. Opens the way for the Lib Dem-Labour everyone has been talking about. Of course it still wouldn't have a majority so expect the seasts of the DUP, SDLP, Plaid Cymru and the SNP to become vital.

 

[dullonien]

I think Plaid Cymru is almost guaranteed to back Labour, considering the agreement made between the two parties in the Welsh assembly a couple of years ago.

Regarding the issues of reforming the electorial system. I think a similar system to that used in the Welsh assembly should be considered. At first it's a similar system where a party needs to gain a majority number of seats to be elected, but on top of that there's a kind of 'top-up' system where extra seats can be granted to each party depending on the amount of votes.

This system means that the party in charge still has the majority of seats, but other parties are rewarded for strong showings by gaining a few general seats (i.e. not tied to a certain area).

I'm pretty sure this is how it works. Feel free to shoot me down if I've missunderstood something.

 

[Versus]

Labour will get back in, now that Brown has resigned, that has been the smartest move he has made because the Lib Dems say that they would go with the Labour party if Brown resigned, so he has. What a sacrifice and it looks like we will see Lab-Lib running the show, bye Cameron.

Wonder who the new leader is, I bet it will be David Miliband, but it should be Alistair Darling.

 

[Feicarsinn]

Have a look at this site: It goes through the different voting systems and their pro's and con's:
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/article.php?id=5

 

[Saints1]

Brown had to go. Lib Dem/Conservative coalition looking harder to deal with by the day.

 

[dullonien]

Have a look at this site: It goes through the different voting systems and their pro's and con's:
http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/article.php?id=5

Ah there we go, wasn't far off then. Thanks feicarsinn.

 

[Getofmeland]

The Legacy of Gordon Brown

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/songs/Gordon/

 

[Saints1]

It would appear a CONDEM (how apt) coalition is almost agreed.

 

[Versus]

The Conservative Party in the UK, much like the Republican Party in the US, are committed to safeguarding the capitalist system that has made them rich. Their essential argument is that those who have 'earned' their wealth should not be asked to help those who haven't. They would prefer to see people homeless, poor healthcare and low standards of education than pay more tax. Due to the fact they will spend huge sums of money on private education and healthcare for their own families, it is pretty clear that the real issue for them is the idea of having to pay for someone else. I believe the whole right-wing ideology can be reduced to selfishness.

 

[toup]

The Conservative Party in the UK, much like the Republican Party in the US, are committed to safeguarding the capitalist system that has made them rich. Their essential argument is that those who have 'earned' their wealth should not be asked to help those who haven't. They would prefer to see people homeless, poor healthcare and low standards of education than pay more tax. Due to the fact they will spend huge sums of money on private education and healthcare for their own families, it is pretty clear that the real issue for them is the idea of having to pay for someone else. I believe the whole right-wing ideology can be reduced to selfishness.

I think you may be oversimplifying in some cases, but raise some interesting points. I would be keen to hear why you feel that higher bracket earners should pay substantially more than they already do, given that taxation is calculated as a percentage of income. You earn more, you pay more. Last year, I was actually asked to REDUCE the the salary offered to a new employee, as the higher tax rate made it financially WORSE for him to be paid more. We are not talking millionaires, just people who have often worked hard to earn a more than 'average'.

I would also be careful labelling all 'rich' people as greedy - some people have money taken from them in (badly distributed) tax, that they may well have done more good with had they been allowed to keep it. Obviously this is not a universal case, but sweeping generalisations can be just as dangerous as dodgy policies.

 

[Saints1]

Cameron confirmed as PM.

I'm emigrating to Spain!

 

[Teh Mite]

Enjoy you redundancy, Brown. You morally inept, country destroying, lying tosspot.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

I love how fickle a lot of Lib Dem voters are. They were hailing Clegg as the second coming of Christ in the run up to the election, and now they all hate him, and say he's the worst person in politics



Also, the amount of Anti-Cameron groups that have sprung up on facebook is laughable

 

[dullonien]

Was interesting to read about some of the possible deals made on the BBC earler before the announcement of Cameron as PM. They suggested that the Torries will have to abandon their policy of increasing the amount a person can inherit without being taxed (yay!), and that Lib Dems policy on increasing the non-tax bracket to £10,000 will be approved (again yay! Although the lost tax needs recouping somewhere).

Agreed with Cameron's speach though. He talked about creating a pro-work society, where working people are rewarded. I cannot agree with this more. Benefits are all well and good for the people who actually need them, but there are just too many scumbag scrougers abusing the system in order to sit on their fat asses smoking fags and drinking their benefit money away.

Anyway, will be interesting to see what happens now. Are we going to end up with the best of both sides, or the worst of both? Will the two actually be able to work together, or will everything important just get stuck along the way?

 

[toup]

Interesting to see how a coalition will work within a system not really equipped to support it, all brought about by 3 'main' parties failing abysmally to gather enough support from the nation to rule outright.