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What a boring end to the election,
It's like if there was a derby and it was built up loads then ended 0 - 0
Though having said that, there's still 41 seats left to declare, and if Conservatives get 38 of them they'll have the majority
EDIT: They now need 37/38 remaining seats
Double Edit: Hung Parliament confirmed: Tories need 35 to get in, only 34 seats remaining
It's like if there was a derby and it was built up loads then ended 0 - 0
Though having said that, there's still 41 seats left to declare, and if Conservatives get 38 of them they'll have the majority
EDIT: They now need 37/38 remaining seats
Double Edit: Hung Parliament confirmed: Tories need 35 to get in, only 34 seats remaining
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I wish Harriett Harman would shut up.
No one won this election. A Minority Conservative government would go nowhere. However, they are the biggest party and the idea of Labour trying to form a coalition with someone else to retain power is ridicilous.
I'm fairly sure that by the end of all the negotiations and after a few weeks, we'll end up with Cameron as PM in a coalition government.
Then I'd say reforming the Electoral system to AV + 1 is a high priority, because we may end up with another election called in the next 18 months.
No one won this election. A Minority Conservative government would go nowhere. However, they are the biggest party and the idea of Labour trying to form a coalition with someone else to retain power is ridicilous.
I'm fairly sure that by the end of all the negotiations and after a few weeks, we'll end up with Cameron as PM in a coalition government.
Then I'd say reforming the Electoral system to AV + 1 is a high priority, because we may end up with another election called in the next 18 months.
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What's so mad about a coalition? Fact is, as Prime Minister, it is Gordon Brown's duty to attempt to form a government and the Lib Dems aren't hugely at odds with Labour policy. They'd probably get a few of the smaller parties on board too. Seems like quite a likely turn of events to me.
Coalitions haven't really been that popular in British politics in the last century have they? Can't really think of many besides the war one and the Conservative/Liberal thing in the early 1920's. Did Labour have one in the late 70's? We have them all the time so it's an interesting comparison to make.
Coalitions haven't really been that popular in British politics in the last century have they? Can't really think of many besides the war one and the Conservative/Liberal thing in the early 1920's. Did Labour have one in the late 70's? We have them all the time so it's an interesting comparison to make.
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aah that would make sense, but at the same in a 'winner comes first' election system, it makes a mockery if the largest party (Conservatives) don't get any power. Much as I detest them, they have earned this much.
Because of our electoral system, and our history, we are a very partizan country, which is why people aren't used to making concessions. Which is why a coalition is quite a big deal.
What Paddy Ashdown said is the best quote of the night, though (paraphrasing): 'Cameron and the Conservatives should be the ones to form the government as the largest party, but they have not been given a mandate to rule in the interests of the Conservative party and must therefore show that they can rule in the National Interest instead'
Because of our electoral system, and our history, we are a very partizan country, which is why people aren't used to making concessions. Which is why a coalition is quite a big deal.
What Paddy Ashdown said is the best quote of the night, though (paraphrasing): 'Cameron and the Conservatives should be the ones to form the government as the largest party, but they have not been given a mandate to rule in the interests of the Conservative party and must therefore show that they can rule in the National Interest instead'
Debate unnecessary - we just waved our hands in the air to attract the beast that's currently eating Greece's entrails.
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2010/05/07/223436/‘uk-votes-for-downgrade’/
1972? 1974? Can't remember, but the Tories won 297 seats, Labour won 302, the Tories form a coalition with the Lib Dems and took power, no one complained from the Tories there but now they are *****ing about it aswell as all their ''*****es''.
Hypocrisy thy name is Tories.
Hypocrisy thy name is Tories.
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'74, and it was the other way round, Tories were in power, then Labour and Lib Dems joined to take over
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Nick Clegg would be an idiot to take any offer that doesn't guarantee a referendum on a change in the electoral system- which he isn't going to get from Cameron.
Even if they get that from Labour they can still jump ship a year from now, have an election with PR and see their number of seats rocket.
And I know it's all very different over here, but I find it very annoying the way the Tories can claim a Moral Right to be in power with a popular vote of 37%.
At least a Coalition with Labour has, 62% of the popular vote.
Even if they get that from Labour they can still jump ship a year from now, have an election with PR and see their number of seats rocket.
And I know it's all very different over here, but I find it very annoying the way the Tories can claim a Moral Right to be in power with a popular vote of 37%.
At least a Coalition with Labour has, 62% of the popular vote.
Alright, statement withdrawn
Claiming a moral victory is pretty stupid, legal action will be taken and we will have a re-election, thousands didn't get to vote which could have meant the difference between an outright Tory win or a Labour marginal win, several of them were extremely close, between 100-2000. I think about 40? So it should definitely be looked at, reminds me of the 2000 election with Al Gore and Bush.
Ah ********, if thses silly fuckers want to leave it until 20 minutes beforw the polls close to turn up then discover everyone else is doing the same - when these same silly arses had all day to do so - then red, blue or yellow, they're clearly too ******* thick to have made an informed decision on whom to vote for. Especially as there are these ready made/ready voted *cough* postal votes available these days which could have been done last week.
Never let the facts get in the way of good old fashioned bias.
Never let the facts get in the way of good old fashioned bias.
Woah, pot calling the kettle black.
You'll find me correctly saying Brown is a country killing cnut and you conveniently reversing the facts of 1974 to spout more anti-Tory BS is nowhere near "pot calling the kettle black". Unless you are David Milliband, in which case it's perfectly understandable you'd make a fuckwit error of that magnatude.
You shouldn't believe everything you've been told, some people would say things were fine when we all become homeless and still blame it on Thatcher so long as the Socialists were in charge.
Things were actually in good shape during the mid 90's and it's under Blair and Brown that things have gone down **** creak... Blame Mohammed Al Fyed for that.
Sadly now the fridge has been raided by the kids' gobshite friends and the pool has a major leek.
Things were actually in good shape during the mid 90's and it's under Blair and Brown that things have gone down **** creak... Blame Mohammed Al Fyed for that.
Sadly now the fridge has been raided by the kids' gobshite friends and the pool has a major leek.
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It's weird when you look at the figures, if the prime minister/government was chosen by votes rather than seats, Conservatives would have won by 2mil
Two million? That isn't much.
Bullitt, my great uncle who passed away last year, worked hard all his life and retired in the 90's said that he had never been so well off under Labour, they do look after the elderly, I fear this is something we will lose. The Tories want to turn this into America, you know what is also weird and why I wouldn't vote for Clegg and Cameron? They are both puppets, the puppet masters are in there somewhere, calling the shots, they are just there to sell the party. Everyone talks about Brown being deceptive but Tories and Lib dems are doing one of the worst things about, because you aren't actually voting for that person as a PM, you don't know who your PM is. Hell I could be wrong, they tried to do that with Hitler, but that didn't work, but somehow I don't think Cameron is as mentally strong as Hitler.
UKIP seems alright, might vote for them one day if I have enough energy to vote one day, but in this election nobody did it for me, because at the end of the day Brown says all these things he would do, but why didn't he do them while he was in power, Cameron and Clegg are puppets and the UKIP changes its policies every second and isn't really a party anyway.
Bullitt, my great uncle who passed away last year, worked hard all his life and retired in the 90's said that he had never been so well off under Labour, they do look after the elderly, I fear this is something we will lose. The Tories want to turn this into America, you know what is also weird and why I wouldn't vote for Clegg and Cameron? They are both puppets, the puppet masters are in there somewhere, calling the shots, they are just there to sell the party. Everyone talks about Brown being deceptive but Tories and Lib dems are doing one of the worst things about, because you aren't actually voting for that person as a PM, you don't know who your PM is. Hell I could be wrong, they tried to do that with Hitler, but that didn't work, but somehow I don't think Cameron is as mentally strong as Hitler.
UKIP seems alright, might vote for them one day if I have enough energy to vote one day, but in this election nobody did it for me, because at the end of the day Brown says all these things he would do, but why didn't he do them while he was in power, Cameron and Clegg are puppets and the UKIP changes its policies every second and isn't really a party anyway.
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True true,
People are saying it's making a mockery of democracy blah blah blah,
It'd be worse if they made exceptions for these people. Voting finished at 10pm and everybody knew that, id they'd have kept it open after that then that's breaking the rules.
People are saying it's making a mockery of democracy blah blah blah,
It'd be worse if they made exceptions for these people. Voting finished at 10pm and everybody knew that, id they'd have kept it open after that then that's breaking the rules.
